O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[The Dug Out]

It may be somewhat disconcerting for some that Muhammad was the top choice for parents naming their baby boys in England and Wales in 2023, with more than 4,600 children registered with the name.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly4g2v0ej6o

Doesn't surprise me, it's a thing that Muslims just breed, more welfare handouts the merrier.
Surprise, surprise it's the anti British broadcasting corporation that you quote from.

[Jampie]

UK's pop growth last year was 455,230, total immigration was 1.2 million. So without huge immigration UK's population would be aging and collapsing at the same time, which I can tell you will result in economic collapse pretty quickly.

Like every single first world nation, the UK depends on immigration to continue to function. Like, at all.

If you aimed for steady population / no growth, you would also collapse because your population would continue to age until the point where you had more retirees than workforce. Fundamentally, the only way to solve this to make more babies, but first world nations have proven completely incapable of addressing this issue for the last several decades.

Hell, we haven't had a sensible discussion about it let alone proposed a solution, let alone implemented one.

Every single article convincing you to be angry about immigration without even bringing up this issue is lying to you. Every article that paints immigration as anything but a bipartisan platform policy is lying to you. There is no major party in any first world nation with an even remotely credible plan to solve this issue. All of them intend to kick the can down the road with huge immigration, indefinitely.

[BigFatPie]

I suspect that it may be the numbers as well as the categories

If thats the case, and Im sure he can speak for himself, maybe hed like to provide the numbers that concern him so much.

I see he?s now upset about what people call their children so I guess he can probably only deal with one racism at a time.

[AltyPie]

UK's pop growth last year was 455,230, total immigration was 1.2 million. So without huge immigration UK's population would be aging and collapsing at the same time, which I can tell you will result in economic collapse pretty quickly.

Like every single first world nation, the UK depends on immigration to continue to function. Like, at all.

If you aimed for steady population / no growth, you would also collapse because your population would continue to age until the point where you had more retirees than workforce. Fundamentally, the only way to solve this to make more babies, but first world nations have proven completely incapable of addressing this issue for the last several decades.

Hell, we haven't had a sensible discussion about it let alone proposed a solution, let alone implemented one.

Every single article convincing you to be angry about immigration without even bringing up this issue is lying to you. Every article that paints immigration as anything but a bipartisan platform policy is lying to you. There is no major party in any first world nation with an even remotely credible plan to solve this issue. All of them intend to kick the can down the road with huge immigration, indefinitely.

A lefty lamenting it has not been possible to have a sensible conversation about immigration is peak irony.

[Jampie]

A lefty lamenting it has not been possible to have a sensible conversation about immigration is peak irony.

What makes me a lefty, in your view?

[AltyPie]

What makes me a lefty, in your view?

Prejudicial, emotionally reasoned, dismissal of a book critical of multiculturalism will do it. Which makes your lamentation of an inability to have a discussion about immigration even peaker ironing.

[Elite_Pie]

Dear oh dear, it?s like hearing a stuck record

But is the stuck record factually correct or not?

[Jampie]

Multiculturalism isn't the cause of the population crisis or immigration so whinging about it achieves nothing. If anything it distracts from the real issue. I also think people's complaints about multiculturalism are hugely overblown, and that it can be made to work quite well. My city has about 30% of its population born overseas. We don't have any major issues caused by multiculturalism.

What is "emotionally reasoned" and can you give me an example of me doing this?

[AltyPie]

I just did.

[Elite_Pie]

What makes me a lefty, in your view?

You should know the rules by now.

If you don't worship Donald Trump, you are a lefty.

[Jampie]

You should know the rules by now.

If you don't worship Donald Trump, you are a lefty.

That's the distinct impression I've got from this clown show lately.

[i961pie]

I don't think immigration is a problem but illegal immigration is. Boatloads of young men coming here with no passports and not knowing where they are from or if they have a criminal past is what scares many people. That's not racism it's a understandable reaction.

[Med Pie]

Multiculturalism isn't the cause of the population crisis or immigration so whinging about it achieves nothing. If anything it distracts from the real issue. I also think people's complaints about multiculturalism are hugely overblown, and that it can be made to work quite well. My city has about 30% of its population born overseas. We don't have any major issues caused by multiculturalism.

What is "emotionally reasoned" and can you give me an example of me doing this?

No, but forced, multiculturalism is the result with unstemmed, illegal migration being salt in the wound. If you went to any country with such a fast changed demographic, additional to benefits which continue to entice every third World person who can get there, you will find resentment.

Those that argue that the UK thrives on immigration, would do well to explain why it's such a **** show?

[Med Pie]

Trump is said to 'crave' an Nobel peace prize, he certainly should not be rewarded with one for extirpating the Palestinians if that came to pass.

[Jampie]

According to the BBC 36,816 people arrived in Britain by small boats in 2024... out of 1.2 million total immigrants that's a drop in the bucket.

I'm sure there are other forms of illegal immigration (like flying over and overstaying a visa) but I feel rather strongly that illegal immigration is largely a smokescreen issue politicians throw up to hide the fact that they wholeheartedly support massive immigration. They do the same in the US and Australia.

I'm not saying illegal immigration is ok or that nothing should be done about it. I am saying, though, that the people convincing you that it's a big problem are lying, and using it to cover for the fact that their policy is to shovel a million people a year into the country.