O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[Mud Pie]

Look at it this way - if I steal 100 Aussie dollars from you and refuse to give it back, you would quite rightly fight to get it. Even though I'm 100% in the wrong, someone puts themselves in control and decides we get 50 Aussie dollars each, problem solved. I'd be happy, but would you?

great post. it's sad how many seemingly intelligent posters/people are twisting themselves in ethical knots trying to find ways to justify Putin's/Trump's behaviour. It's not just 'performative politics' / 'probably illegal' if you're under the foot of these despots. But while it's a thousand miles away from your doorstep, there may appear to be semantic reasons to think Putin and Trump are the saviors we need. Bleh, kind of disgusts me how much of other people's rights you lot are happy to give away. Need to ask yourself where exactly you are on the Pastor Niem?ller scale.

[Elite_Pie]

great post. it's sad how many seemingly intelligent posters/people are twisting themselves in ethical knots trying to find ways to justify Putin's/Trump's behaviour. It's not just 'performative politics' / 'probably illegal' if you're under the foot of these despots. But while it's a thousand miles away from your doorstep, there may appear to be semantic reasons to think Putin and Trump are the saviors we need. Bleh, kind of disgusts me how much of other people's rights you lot are happy to give away. Need to ask yourself where exactly you are on the Pastor Niem?ller scale.

I'm pretty sure that the end result in all of this will be Ukraine being shafted.

The sad thing is that some don't seem to care.

[queenslandpie]

Look at it this way - if I steal 100 Aussie dollars from you and refuse to give it back, you would quite rightly fight to get it. Even though I'm 100% in the wrong, someone puts themselves in control and decides we get 50 Aussie dollars each, problem solved. I'd be happy, but would you?

If I didn't get a good kicking then yeah I might well be. It depends on the personality types involved ultimately and in this case the guy that stole 100 aussie dollars isn't going to give it back but is built like a wall and the guy that it got stolen from thinks he can do a David and Goliath impression. There is only going to be one outcome if nobody intervenes. Of course this assumption also assumes that the guy doing the David and Goliath impression is as innocent of all things as the guy built like a wall is as guilty of all things.

[Elite_Pie]

If I didn't get a good kicking then yeah I might well be. It depends on the personality types involved ultimately and in this case the guy that stole 100 aussie dollars isn't going to give it back but is built like a wall and the guy that it got stolen from thinks he can do a David and Goliath impression. There is only going to be one outcome if nobody intervenes. Of course this assumption also assumes that the guy doing the David and Goliath impression is as innocent of all things as the guy built like a wall is as guilty of all things.

So big guys are allowed to sh!t on little guys, just because they're bigger?

[Mud Pie]

If I didn't get a good kicking then yeah I might well be. It depends on the personality types involved ultimately and in this case the guy that stole 100 aussie dollars isn't going to give it back but is built like a wall and the guy that it got stolen from thinks he can do a David and Goliath impression. There is only going to be one outcome if nobody intervenes. Of course this assumption also assumes that the guy doing the David and Goliath impression is as innocent of all things as the guy built like a wall is as guilty of all things.

so some dag breaks into your house and threatens to off your wife and kids, and you're saying "i'd stand up for them if I didn't think I'd get a good kicking"? It's so easy to think like that when the schit's happening to someone else, eh?

[BigFatPie]

If I didn't get a good kicking then yeah I might well be. It depends on the personality types involved ultimately and in this case the guy that stole 100 aussie dollars isn't going to give it back but is built like a wall and the guy that it got stolen from thinks he can do a David and Goliath impression. There is only going to be one outcome if nobody intervenes. Of course this assumption also assumes that the guy doing the David and Goliath impression is as innocent of all things as the guy built like a wall is as guilty of all things.

Aside from at least trying to maintain the principle that countries shouldnt be rewarded for invasions, theres no reason why a well supported Ukraine couldnt see off Russia in the medium to long term.

A lot of informed opinion is that Russia is running out of both manpower and cash. See the collapse of their support for Assad in Syria as evidence for this.

[queenslandpie]

Aside from at least trying to maintain the principle that countries shouldnt be rewarded for invasions, theres no reason why a well supported Ukraine couldnt see off Russia in the medium to long term.

A lot of informed opinion is that Russia is running out of both manpower and cash. See the collapse of their support for Assad in Syria as evidence for this.

Putin will keep throwing North Koreans conscripts or whatever at it. Just as they have done in previous wars. Blatant disregard for human life.

[ThaiPie]

The worlds most predictable post, Andy blames Zelenskyy for that shambles. Pathetic.

I think JD Vance was to blame.

He started talking about diplomacy is the answer, as if it's a new idea he'd thought of.

Zelensky quite rightly pointed out that in 2019 he signed an agreement with Putin, backed by Merkal and Macron. Putin broke this agreement.

JD Vance, realising he was starting to look the idiot he is, attacked Zelensky to cover up his ignorance.

Trying to make Zelensky beg and say "Oh thankyou, I haven't said thankyou, for at least 30 minutes."

JD Vance is feeding Trump a lot of the Ukraine are the bad guys nonsense.

And Rubio is just as bad. He described Putin as a war criminal and then sold out his principles when offered a job by Trump.

[queenslandpie]

I think JD Vance was to blame.

He started talking about diplomacy is the answer, as if it's a new idea he'd thought of.

Zelensky quite rightly pointed out that in 2019 he signed an agreement with Putin, backed by Merkal and Macron. Putin broke this agreement.

JD Vance, realising he was starting to look the idiot he is, attacked Zelensky to cover up his ignorance.

Trying to make Zelensky beg and say "Oh thankyou, I haven't said thankyou, for at least 30 minutes."

JD Vance is feeding Trump a lot of the Ukraine are the bad guys nonsense.

And Rubio is just as bad. He described Putin as a war criminal and then sold out his principles when offered a job by Trump.

Russian kompromat is probably more of a motivation for him tbh!

[forwardmagpie]

I haven't answered because I never said the EU will be a solution against Trump.

Very sorry if I misunderstood what you meant, would you please explain what you were saying - thanks

[drillerpie]

Aside from at least trying to maintain the principle that countries shouldnt be rewarded for invasions, theres no reason why a well supported Ukraine couldnt see off Russia in the medium to long term.

A lot of informed opinion is that Russia is running out of both manpower and cash. See the collapse of their support for Assad in Syria as evidence for this.

They are struggling with manpower (sending people in to battle on crutches for example) but for them that's culturally acceptable somehow, and more of a medium term problem logistically for the reasons Queensland mentioned.

They are definitely running out of hardware though. You can quite easily find videos of Russians being sent into battle on golf carts, tractors and whatever else. They have been burning through Soviet era stockpiles of tanks which can be monitored from satellite images and are almost depleted.

A ceasefire would be absolutely great for Putin now so he can restock for round 3. Maintaining supplies to Ukraine or even increasing them would be a nightmare for him.

[Mapperleypie]

They are struggling with manpower (sending people in to battle on crutches for example) but for them that's culturally acceptable somehow, and more of a medium term problem logistically for the reasons Queensland mentioned.

They are definitely running out of hardware though. You can quite easily find videos of Russians being sent into battle on golf carts, tractors and whatever else. They have been burning through Soviet era stockpiles of tanks which can be monitored from satellite images and are almost depleted.

A ceasefire would be absolutely great for Putin now so he can restock for round 3. Maintaining supplies to Ukraine or even increasing them would be a nightmare for him.

Trump knows this. He could support Ukraine for a while longer and have Russia on its knees and have them completely out of the picture as any sort of superpower. A massive win for the US and the security of the West.

On the other hand there are those p!ss tapes.

[ThaiPie]

Yes, I think Trump would have been the easiest of targets. But what? He doesn't seem to worried about sordid allegations?

[Elite_Pie]

Very sorry if I misunderstood what you meant, would you please explain what you were saying - thanks

I thought it was self explanatory, but I'll try and make it clearer. I said "A united Europe might be the only thing big enough to stand up to his bullying, but 52% of us decided we didn't want to be part of a united Europe". I didn't say it was a solution to Trump, I said it might offer the best chance of someone standing up to his bullying. The EU would be a bit stronger with us in it, and we don't have the power to do a lot on our own.

[LincsPie]

Trump knows this. He could support Ukraine for a while longer and have Russia on its knees and have them completely out of the picture as any sort of superpower. A massive win for the US and the security of the West.

On the other hand there are those p!ss tapes.

Don't think Trump or his supporters would give a toss about any so called 'kompromat', he's been to trial, he's been shot at, his wife doesn't care what he's done in the past - what's a bit of kompromat to the allegedly most powerful man in the world? Or is that Elon?