O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[i961pie]

Trump's admitted he'll need lots of immigration to staff all the factories that are now going to make stuff there - he only wants people that love America though.


You sound like an ideal candidate.

Should we start a whip round for his air fare?😅

[BigFatPie]

I know we are in midst of a promotion battle, but I cannot help thinking that if a left leaning politicians policy had led directly to *trillions* being wiped off the global stock market there would have been a few comments.

Instead the regular and long serving proponents on here of voting for idiots by idiots because idiots tell me to remain silent. *The Dems are worst*, *Im no fan of Trump but* *Hes only doing what he said he would do* *I would have voted for Jill Stein* etc etc. Will all this, like Brexit, be something you all dont like to talk about in a year or two?

[Jampie]

I know we are in midst of a promotion battle, but I cannot help thinking that if a left leaning politicians policy had led directly to *trillions* being wiped off the global stock market there would have been a few comments.

Instead the regular and long serving proponents on here of voting for idiots by idiots because idiots tell me to remain silent. *The Dems are worst*, *Im no fan of Trump but* *Hes only doing what he said he would do* *I would have voted for Jill Stein* etc etc. Will all this, like Brexit, be something you all dont like to talk about in a year or two?

It would require integrity and a bit of self reflection. Two things trump fans are utterly incapable of, it seems. In this very forum topic we have posts praising trump's supposed impact on the (then steadily rising) stock market before he'd even taken office, and now he's crashed it we hear absolute dead silence on the matter from his supporters. True to form.

As of right now he's wiped off all of the gains from the past twelve months. But that's just surface level. The trade war he's started is quite likely to result in a global recession. The fact that he's broken prior agreements to kick it off will be felt for decades to come. Why make any agreement with the USA if the next president can just decide not to honour it?

[andy6025]

I know we are in midst of a promotion battle, but I cannot help thinking that if a left leaning politicians policy had led directly to *trillions* being wiped off the global stock market there would have been a few comments.

Instead the regular and long serving proponents on here of voting for idiots by idiots because idiots tell me to remain silent. *The Dems are worst*, *Im no fan of Trump but* *Hes only doing what he said he would do* *I would have voted for Jill Stein* etc etc. Will all this, like Brexit, be something you all dont like to talk about in a year or two?

While I did catch a quote from me in there, I have to admit that I have not a clue what you are trying to say. Your post seems barely literate.

[i961pie]

I know we are in midst of a promotion battle, but I cannot help thinking that if a left leaning politicians policy had led directly to *trillions* being wiped off the global stock market there would have been a few comments.

Instead the regular and long serving proponents on here of voting for idiots by idiots because idiots tell me to remain silent. *The Dems are worst*, *Im no fan of Trump but* *Hes only doing what he said he would do* *I would have voted for Jill Stein* etc etc. Will all this, like Brexit, be something you all dont like to talk about in a year or two?

Thanks to brexit we are being tarrifed at 10% rather than 20%😂

[frenchmagpie]

Thanks to brexit we are being tarrifed at 10% rather than 20%😂

When demand for your products is going to fall off a cliff it doesn't really matter that someone else's cliff is twice as high. It's not the win you think it is compared to the billions still being lost to the UK economy. And who are those affected UK businesses going to sell their lost US market to ? Not the EU easily.

[the_anticlough]

When demand for your products is going to fall off a cliff it doesn't really matter that someone else's cliff is twice as high. It's not the win you think it is compared to the billions still being lost to the UK economy. And who are those affected UK businesses going to sell their lost US market to ? Not the EU easily.

The US wants GB in its economic bloc so will continue the favourable treatment and continue to drive a wedge between us and the EU. Obviously this isn't in our (the people's) interests as we'll join them in their appalling, hardly-regulated food standards, privatised health system, insecure work and crime/drug infested cities. Labour under Starmar seems to welcome this direction.

[i961pie]

When demand for your products is going to fall off a cliff it doesn't really matter that someone else's cliff is twice as high. It's not the win you think it is compared to the billions still being lost to the UK economy. And who are those affected UK businesses going to sell their lost US market to ? Not the EU easily.

I thought the laughing emoji might have given it away, but never mind.

[Lullapie]

Looks like Britain's Prime Minister is onboard.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/apr/05/keir-starmer-orders-uk-economic-reset-amid-donald-trumps-tariff-mayhem

Is he the first to face reality and talk sense? You know what, I'm beginning to warm to Starmer. For a Labour PM, he is actually a pragmatist and not a dreamer, like many of the ideologists around him.

When all the Drama Queens and Chicken Little-ists (or Henny Penny-ist for some) have been moved to their comfortable, padded cells and the grown ups are back in charge again, we'll all see that the world isn't coming to an end.

Y2K won't make planes crash and world infrastructure break down.
Saddam Hussein won't have weapons of mass destruction
The Global Financial Crisis of 2008, won't bring down the world's economy
ISIS won't take over the developed world
Brexit won't lead to abstract poverty in the UK, while the EU's economy goes stratospheric
Covid won't kill everybody in the world
Global warming (which not everybody believes in), sorry Climate Change (which everybody believes in) won't wipe out humanity - this may take a little longer to prove and the final proof probably won't happen until long after we've all died of old age
And the US 2025 tariffs won't lead to the end of life as we know it.

Our desire for 24-7 news has turned many into wobbling piles of jelly, who break out into acts of 'the sky is falling in' everytime they are fed reactive propaganda by their preferred media outlets.

[Lullapie]

Quote Originally Posted by BigFatPie View Post
I know we are in midst of a promotion battle, but I cannot help thinking that if a left leaning politicians policy had led directly to *trillions* being wiped off the global stock market there would have been a few comments.


This is how narrow minded you are - the reason behind the tariffs, we are being told, is for a reset in the world economy which has partly been down to it's mis-management BY left-wing governments.

Unless you know of another reason and you can PROVE it, we have to go with the explanation from the US government, why they have put the tariffs in place.

What Trump is doing is a left-wing policy. Many unions in the US are behind him - but you're so blinded by hatred to see or accept that.

[SwalePie]

Quote Originally Posted by BigFatPie View Post
I know we are in midst of a promotion battle, but I cannot help thinking that if a left leaning politicians policy had led directly to *trillions* being wiped off the global stock market there would have been a few comments.


This is how narrow minded you are - the reason behind the tariffs, we are being told, is for a reset in the world economy which has partly been down to it's mis-management BY left-wing governments.

Unless you know of another reason and you can PROVE it, we have to go with the explanation from the US government, why they have put the tariffs in place.

What Trump is doing is a left-wing policy. Many unions in the US are behind him - but you're so blinded by hatred to see or accept that.

Based on their performance thus far, we most certainly don't have to go with any 'explanation' from the current US government. That would be particularly unwise methinks.

[Elite_Pie]

Quote Originally Posted by BigFatPie View Post
I know we are in midst of a promotion battle, but I cannot help thinking that if a left leaning politicians policy had led directly to *trillions* being wiped off the global stock market there would have been a few comments.


This is how narrow minded you are - the reason behind the tariffs, we are being told, is for a reset in the world economy which has partly been down to it's mis-management BY left-wing governments.

Unless you know of another reason and you can PROVE it, we have to go with the explanation from the US government, why they have put the tariffs in place.

What Trump is doing is a left-wing policy. Many unions in the US are behind him - but you're so blinded by hatred to see or accept that.

You should simply post "I love Trump".

It would save you a lot of time and effort.

[drillerpie]

From "Trump Daddy is gonna make everyone rich" in January, to "People losing houses and jobs in the great financial crisis of 2008 was actually not that bad if you think about it" in April is impressive.

[Mapperleypie]

From "Trump Daddy is gonna make everyone rich" in January, to "People losing houses and jobs in the great financial crisis of 2008 was actually not that bad if you think about it" in April is impressive.

Trump can say he is going to make the US Dollar stronger to a massive cheer and five minutes later say the weaker dollar will boost the US Economy to a cheer from the same people.

It's a cult of the morons being taken for a ride by the super-wealthy who see they can make a massive killing during the unnecessary market turmoil.

If the tariffs do raise as much revenue for the US government as touted it will be a tax-cut for the wealthiest in society whilst the poorest will simply be left with significantly higher prices - massive cheers from Cletus in the red hat.

[drillerpie]

Trump can say he is going to make the US Dollar stronger to a massive cheer and five minutes later say the weaker dollar will boost the US Economy to a cheer from the same people.

It's a cult of the morons being taken for a ride by the super-wealthy who see they can make a massive killing during the unnecessary market turmoil.

If the tariffs do raise as much revenue for the US government as touted it will be a tax-cut for the wealthiest in society whilst the poorest will simply be left with significantly higher prices - massive cheers from Cletus in the red hat.

Yeah he says the income from tariffs will pay for his tax cuts for the rich. I doubt that but we will see. That's how the new budget has been presented anyway. For that reason I don't think he will backtrack on tariffs until his budget is passed by Congress.

Also hard to see how what Trump is doing will not raise inflation and how it will not lead to recession. Trump has the MAGA ultras who love him no matter what but they are not enough to win an election (assuming he still intends to have elections, which is not a given). I see that after they made a big deal about the stock market, crypto reserve and egg prices for years they are now pushing the line that money doesn't matter and in fact not having money is character building.

Fox News even took the stock market ticker off their news channel for the first time in 30 years so as not to scare the boomers. The middle of the road Republican voters will be alienated quite quickly if this continues. It will be interesting to see where Trump's pain threshold and bull**** threshold (can he talk / golf / ignore his way out of this?) lie. Or he might just decide on a war to distract everyone - that would be the next thing on the aspiring authoritarian checklist.

Anyway, whatever will be will be I suppose. I understand people are suffering, I just don't get why they don't see how the golden age they crave to have back was defined by high tax rates for the super rich and different laws about maximising shareholder value. There's no way a billionaire president and a cabinet of billionaires and super loyal non-entities is going to fix that. If you're going to crash the stock market for anything, do it for that IMO.