Williams is Favourite [New Head Coach speculation thread]

[Could'vebeenacontender]

A "yes" boss then. These are your tools, get on with it
I'd say this is why an appointment is taking so long. Not too many Coaches like to be told what to do. Some will buy in to it, others will say fcuk that after the interview

I don't know if we've already found the new man but it's not been announced but that was my initial impression

It's perhaps too brutal to say we want a yes man but I suspect we're wanting a candidate who's prepared to work in a collegiate way with the board and the rest of the senior management team
With the recruitment dept. bringing in players that can be improved and hopefully sold on at a profit, regardless of whether they play in positions where we are short
It's unlikely that any high profile candidates will work under those terms, when after all, it's the manager who gets the sack if he doesn't get success (even if his title is 'head coach')

[legs77]

I don't know if we've already found the new man but it's not been announced but that was my initial impression

It's perhaps too brutal to say we want a yes man but I suspect we're wanting a candidate who's prepared to work in a collegiate way with the board and the rest of the senior management team
With the recruitment dept. bringing in players that can be improved and hopefully sold on at a profit, regardless of whether they play in positions where we are short
It's unlikely that any high profile candidates will work under those terms, when after all, it's the manager who gets the sack if he doesn't get success (even if his title is 'head coach')

Exactly this is spot on.

My belief is if you dont rate/trust certain players as head coach / manager you aren't going to play them end of.

[crazyfists]

The model we use is fine apart from the only issue I think is that a great coach isn't often a good man manager or leader. For me, LW had both, great coach and a manager who had abit about him. We need both in the next manager.

[SmiffyPie]

Exactly this is spot on.

My belief is if you dont rate/trust certain players as head coach / manager you aren't going to play them end of.

The down side to that is if he gets a player he doesn't like/trust then that is a waste of a wage and a squad position.
But I get the previous couple of posts about the modern manager and his requirement to be part of a team.

[legs77]

The down side to that is if he gets a player he doesn't like/trust then that is a waste of a wage and a squad position.
But I get the previous couple of posts about the modern manager and his requirement to be part of a team.

That can happen in the old model too as we saw Nolan liked Duffy whilst Kewell rightly wanted him out.

As manager the buck stops with you so you will pick who you trust that doesnt change whatever the model.

Ideally the management team are all on the same page which on the whole for us it has been imo.

[SmiffyPie]

That can happen in the old model too as we saw Nolan liked Duffy whilst Kewell rightly wanted him out.

As manager the buck stops with you so you will pick who you trust that doesnt change whatever the model.

Ideally the management team are all on the same page which on the whole for us it has been imo.

Agreed. We are in a good position after all that's gone before, new manager, new HR, new pre-season, new season. If things are done right and matters are dealt with to suit all parties this could well be all the jigsaw pieces fitting?

[SwalePie]

I think fans should give up on the idea of some ex-player or coach being in charge of the HR of a company the owners subsidise with their own money

Spot on.

[matt_magpie]

There?s pluses and minuses of both ways, Liverpool have a head coach and have just won the prem, they?re been very considerate in their recruitment and they?ve managed to bridge the gap with other big spenders.

If I owned Notts I would go down the HC route, as in my view is why would you let someone have the main control of your recruitment funds when on average their only with clubs for little over a year.

I think in 2 or 3 years it will be the norm over here.

It?s not like our owners are idiots, every manager we?ve had has said how supportive they are and said it when they?ve left, obviously they won?t publicly dig them out but you can usually read between the lines if they haven?t been happy.

[SmiffyPie]

HC yes but he/she has to have a very big input.

[theadissey]

HC yes but he/she has to have a very big input.

Didn't Williams have a lot of input over transfers? It's all about trust, if they believe the manager has something to say and it's working as a club, it's not as if they're gonna say no when he comes knocking.

[BigFatPie]

I don't know if we've already found the new man but it's not been announced but that was my initial impression

It's perhaps too brutal to say we want a yes man but I suspect we're wanting a candidate who's prepared to work in a collegiate way with the board and the rest of the senior management team
With the recruitment dept. bringing in players that can be improved and hopefully sold on at a profit, regardless of whether they play in positions where we are short
It's unlikely that any high profile candidates will work under those terms, when after all, it's the manager who gets the sack if he doesn't get success (even if his title is 'head coach')

Weve just watched 7 out of the 8 promotion places in league 2 in the last 2 years being filled by teams with experienced, successful EFL managers. You can look at the manager lineup for next season and have a decent guess about who will do well. Youre no doubt right but I wont be high fiving anyone when Anders Smegstrom gets announced in the next few days.

The owners have a zero success rate in appointing coaches since we were promoted, I really hope they get the next one right.

[matt_magpie]

Didn't Williams have a lot of input over transfers? It's all about trust, if they believe the manager has something to say and it's working as a club, it's not as if they're gonna say no when he comes knocking.

He did, sounded like he brought Baldwin in, said when signing he had worked with Randall before (perhaps he shouldn?t have inputted) and obviously his decision on Bostock when training with Notts and that?s why I?m surprised quite a few are saying the owners want a yes man, I have no idea what their basing it on?

Speaking of Williams, Joey Barton?s the same odds proving absolutely no one knows a thing. Steve Evans would have me slightly tearing at my season ticket, I?d be purchasing a shredder if he came in.

[bule1]

The owners have a zero success rate in appointing coaches since we were promoted

So we have not been successful in getting promoted since we last got promoted..... Bit of a weird statement. Do agree though that the experiment with unproven managers at this level did not work with SM.

I think the HC concept is best as it offer continuity on team and style whereas with managers the entire squad can virtually become redundant and need replacing if the next manager has a different idea of play and players.

[Could'vebeenacontender]

Didn't Williams have a lot of input over transfers? It's all about trust, if they believe the manager has something to say and it's working as a club, it's not as if they're gonna say no when he comes knocking.

He had a degree of input but still a number of players came in who he didn't really want
Some worked out, some didn't
He was asking for defenders in January in our first L2 season but we recruited forwards instead including Morias
Would he have left anyway when Swansea came in?
Probably , as would most of us in his position

[BigFatPie]

So we have not been successful in getting promoted since we last got promoted..... Bit of a weird statement. Do agree though that the experiment with unproven managers at this level did not work with SM.

I think the HC concept is best as it offer continuity on team and style whereas with managers the entire squad can virtually become redundant and need replacing if the next manager has a different idea of play and players.

Fair point, I should have added *in the EFL*. And yes they have only appointed 1. But he was sh!t.