Lee Clark

[Pocket rocket]

Another sarky member. Arguing for the sake of it. Let me put you straight.

1. He is saying they can’t do it, not that there is anything wrong with doing it nor would any of us disagree. He is stating why they can’t.

2. Never supported hamshaw playing 3 at the back. My view was, inc WB, we don’t have the players for it….example, jules! energetic defender, not really.

However, the great games and performances we had, albeit isolated with 3 at the back, even recently, plymouth, away at exeter means 3 at the back isn’t a given naughty.

You can?t help yourself Chris can you?
You are doing exactly the same as you did last time. Argue with everyone then play the victim.
We see you Chris you have replaced going on about Stubbs with Hamshaw and god forbid anyone doesn?t agree with you.
Called guru an utter moron and now having a go at another poster.
We see you Chris let it go you have been rumbled.

[RU66]

A closet Evans, always suspected. Had he have been retained we would have gone down for sure. Hamshaw to the rescue.

Work that one out.

Correct me if I'm wrong but when Evans left last season weren't we in a position of relative safety. Hamshaw he's reversed that this season. Before season started I questioned some of his signings. Martha, Benson & Yearwood for 3.

[mygiddypant]

Who does on here? All armchair managers like me.

Ahem!

For your information Nige, I managed teams in France and Belgium for a number of years.

[Heliosphan78]

Another sarky member. Arguing for the sake of it. Let me put you straight.

1. He is saying they can’t do it, not that there is anything wrong with doing it nor would any of us disagree. He is stating why they can’t

I know what he said, I've played it 3 times. Have you forgotten your original point?

You just called LC out for asking the players to do something that they can't do. I assume you mean simple things like run hard and play with a degree of intensity. That's the minimum expectation any manager would have. If he's asked them to do it and they can't, that's not on the new manager, that's on the players and the previous manager.

2. Never supported hamshaw playing 3 at the back. My view was, inc WB, we don’t have the players for it….example, jules! energetic defender, not really.

However, the great games and performances we had, albeit isolated with 3 at the back, even recently, plymouth, away at exeter means 3 at the back isn’t a given naughty.

Well that's wrong for a start.

We played with a back 4 against Plymouth for 85 minutes and then your pal MH inexplicably changed shape when he swapped Martha for Agbaire. Against Exeter, we started with a back 4. We switched to a 5 because Gore injured his shoulder on 40 minutes and was replaced by Adegboyega

Remember now?

[Heliosphan78]

Lee Clarke, you offer nothing.

Exactly. Apart from cheap talk and experimentation we have had little change, those without injuries have still shown little, people talk about hamshaw, but the barnsley display was far worse. A manager seems to be the least of the problems

Here's a change. We had 66% possession against Barnsley. That's the highest we've had in ANY game this season, including cup games.

We were still rubbish. We've been rubbish all season with some notably poor performances. But what for you sets aside the Barnsley game as being FAR worse than anything under Hamshaw?

Sounds suspiciously like sour grapes to me.

[UlleyMiller]

Correct me if I'm wrong but when Evans left last season weren't we in a position of relative safety. Hamshaw he's reversed that this season. Before season started I questioned some of his signings. Martha, Benson & Yearwood for 3.

We were in a position of relative safety, certainly compared to the same time this season... we were just in a state where things were clearly in need of a change. The assignment was different for SE - he was tasked with getting us up quickly, MH was a longer term plan. Both failed.

[Spuddy Speight]

I reckon our season is done, dusted, finished, at an end, over and so should we now be crying over spilt milk?
I reckon TS and Co owe it to the Rotherham supporters and hold a fans' forum and lay out the club's plans for the future. No point in rolling out the players on Thursday to watch them train etc. That was just a sop and RUFC knows it. TS and Co have been avoiding the supporters for quite some time. Is there something that's being hidden?
Come on, TS and Co show some respect!

[Brin]

I reckon our season is done, dusted, finished, at an end, over and so should we now be crying over spilt milk?
I reckon TS and Co owe it to the Rotherham supporters and hold a fans' forum and lay out the club's plans for the future. No point in rolling out the players on Thursday to watch them train etc. That was just a sop and RUFC knows it. TS and Co have been avoiding the supporters for quite some time. Is there something that's being hidden?
Come on, TS and Co show some respect!

Spud, that will never happen! It cruising/holiday time in 19 days for TS and who knows, even PD may not be here next season to hold one.

[Townerslovechild]

Clark's assessment of the game was spot on,however, I'm not sure it will encourage any more effort from the players, maybe the opposite.
He's obviously a bit more "old school " when it comes to his attitude, will that still work these days...who knows.
Anyway I'm sure the jobs his if he wants it, very difficult pre season ahead.

[Brin]

Clark's assessment of the game was spot on,however, I'm not sure it will encourage any more effort from the players, maybe the opposite.
He's obviously a bit more "old school " when it comes to his attitude, will that still work these days...who knows.
Anyway I'm sure the jobs his if he wants it, very difficult pre season ahead.

Morning TLC. Thing is though IF he's given the job and task of making things happen again, he will probably have the biggest clean slate to start with any Manager has had in years at ours. Then he can show us what he wants and will deliver, in order to makes us smile again.

[mygiddypant]

Morning TLC. Thing is though IF he's given the job and task of making things happen again, he will probably have the biggest clean slate to start with any Manager has had in years at ours. Then he can show us what he wants and will deliver, in order to makes us smile again.

He will be given the job, partly because there's no energy or enthusiasm at the top for more disruption.

Clarke will have a partial "clean slate", and the opportunity to rebuild in his own fashion, just like previous managers.

If, after two months we are not near the top of the league he will start to attract attraction from the usual suspects.

[ragingpup]

I agree with what Clark says on the interview. Players have to do extra to make sure they are at top physical strength. Look at Ronaldo. I?m not saying they will ever be as good as him but surely they aspire to be the best in league one or league two. Do some work on your leg muscles lads. You don?t have to be on the training ground to do it. Do it at home, in your garage.

I don?t know whether Lee Clark will be doing the job next season but I think he is fighting a losing battle with the players that all the previous managers have brought in.

Only my opinion, but it is the manager's (all of them!) as well as fitness and coaching staff to make sure that the players are physically strong and in the right conditi!on. They work for and are paid quite well by the club and the club staff should be doing whatever is needed in working time to make sure that the players build strangth and conditioning. I'm quite shocked by Clark and fans seeming to indicate that it is all on the players. Players are humans and if allowed an easier path by their managers, many will choose the easy path. You'll get this in any poorly run business.

Clark may well be correct in what he has found but the fault for that surely lays witth the previous managers aand culture of the club. To blame the players entrely is 1) pointing the responsibility elsewhere from where it should be and 2) will likely cause un undesirable response from the players you do have, especially those who are doing everything they can for the Millers. I find it quite worrying that Clark seems to come at things from this position of helplessness and heaping responsibility on the players, especially if he is being considered beyond the end of the season.

I'd me much more encouraged if he's have said words to the effect of "Yes, I can see now what is happening, a culture has developed where the fitness and conditioning of the players has been under developed and is the main cause of so many injuries. But I know what needs to be done and going forward (if employed for next season) we need to develop X programmes for the players, fitness and conditioning plans that will address this". These would be easy words for anyone to say of course, and the proof of the pudding would be in time whether he can produce results based on his diagnosis, but I'd be more reassured if he was going down these lines instead of heaping it all on the players.

Not saying the players don't have a big responsibility for their diet and lifestyle, but the club management should always be responsible for directing and monitorig them to stay within the conditioning levels that they want to see.

[Back of the net]

Only my opinion, but it is the manager's (all of them!) as well as fitness and coaching staff to make sure that the players are physically strong and in the right conditi!on. They work for and are paid quite well by the club and the club staff should be doing whatever is needed in working time to make sure that the players build strangth and conditioning. I'm quite shocked by Clark and fans seeming to indicate that it is all on the players. Players are humans and if allowed an easier path by their managers, many will choose the easy path. You'll get this in any poorly run business.

Clark may well be correct in what he has found but the fault for that surely lays witth the previous managers aand culture of the club. To blame the players entrely is 1) pointing the responsibility elsewhere from where it should be and 2) will likely cause un undesirable response from the players you do have, especially those who are doing everything they can for the Millers. I find it quite worrying that Clark seems to come at things from this position of helplessness and heaping responsibility on the players, especially if he is being considered beyond the end of the season.

I'd me much more encouraged if he's have said words to the effect of "Yes, I can see now what is happening, a culture has developed where the fitness and conditioning of the players has been under developed and is the main cause of so many injuries. But I know what needs to be done and going forward (if employed for next season) we need to develop X programmes for the players, fitness and conditioning plans that will address this". These would be easy words for anyone to say of course, and the proof of the pudding would be in time whether he can produce results based on his diagnosis, but I'd be more reassured if he was going down these lines instead of heaping it all on the players.

Not saying the players don't have a big responsibility for their diet and lifestyle, but the club management should always be responsible for directing and monitorig them to stay within the conditioning levels that they want to see.

There are clearly issues with the club and I agree there are accountability issues around this in terms of the medical department etc.

I agree with Clark though the it’s a fundamental requirement for the players to prepare as good as they can.
They aren’t doing that and not tracking back and running isn’t fitness issue it’s a mentality one. Against Barnsley some players gave in. That’s shocking and unacceptable. Lazy and entitled is right imo.
Get them all gone they should be embarrassed.

[ragingpup]

There are clearly issues with the club and I agree there are accountability issues around this in terms of the medical department etc.

I agree with Clark though the it’s a fundamental requirement for the players to prepare as good as they can.
They aren’t doing that and not tracking back and running isn’t fitness issue it’s a mentality one. Against Barnsley some players gave in. That’s shocking and unacceptable. Lazy and entitled is right imo.
Get them all gone they should be embarrassed.

For me, its accountability only with the manager and his staff. No decent manager of people just squawks to other people about poor performance from the people they are paid to manage. If players aren't performing on a daily basis as you want them to perform, you deal with that directly with the player and in most cases an excellent person manager will get great results from their staff. Poor managers will get poor results. No one else is responsible, and am worried that Clark feels that his players are.

[Shark27]

Only my opinion, but it is the manager's (all of them!) as well as fitness and coaching staff to make sure that the players are physically strong and in the right conditi!on. They work for and are paid quite well by the club and the club staff should be doing whatever is needed in working time to make sure that the players build strangth and conditioning. I'm quite shocked by Clark and fans seeming to indicate that it is all on the players. Players are humans and if allowed an easier path by their managers, many will choose the easy path. You'll get this in any poorly run business.

Clark may well be correct in what he has found but the fault for that surely lays witth the previous managers aand culture of the club. To blame the players entrely is 1) pointing the responsibility elsewhere from where it should be and 2) will likely cause un undesirable response from the players you do have, especially those who are doing everything they can for the Millers. I find it quite worrying that Clark seems to come at things from this position of helplessness and heaping responsibility on the players, especially if he is being considered beyond the end of the season.

I'd me much more encouraged if he's have said words to the effect of "Yes, I can see now what is happening, a culture has developed where the fitness and conditioning of the players has been under developed and is the main cause of so many injuries. But I know what needs to be done and going forward (if employed for next season) we need to develop X programmes for the players, fitness and conditioning plans that will address this". These would be easy words for anyone to say of course, and the proof of the pudding would be in time whether he can produce results based on his diagnosis, but I'd be more reassured if he was going down these lines instead of heaping it all on the players.

Not saying the players don't have a big responsibility for their diet and lifestyle, but the club management should always be responsible for directing and monitorig them to stay within the conditioning levels that they want to see.

In effect Clark is telling them to do more. I?m sure they have strengthening exercises that they can follow. There is only so much they can do in the hours they have at the training ground. Just as they have to eat responsibly, they also have the responsibility to try and stay as strong as possible.

I?m sure you do extra planning and research for your job in your spare time just for your own personal development if anything. Footballers are paid very well and should be doing this anyway. If they are doing it and are that easily injured then I would say they are in the wrong job (or not considering they then get paid for doing very little). If they aren?t doing everything they can to stay as fit as possible, and let?s be honest, they haven?t got talent alone to rely on, then they will struggle.

If I was invited to play in a friendly 11 a side match at NYS during pre season I would try and be as ready as possible and that?s not even getting paid for it.