O/T Covid Vaccine mRNA

[frogmiller]

Serious question frog . Are you on any medication, and how do you not know that has not been genetically modified?

Yes I’m on drugs. Drugs that have gone through a thorough research program. I made a comment about natural remedies earlier in the thread and how they were difficult to find at the outbreak of Covid.
Here is a short history lesson that I didn’t know. I found it interesting

https://x.com/realdefender45/status/1739902196144070851?s=42&t=V3MA7CRmlcvxGrPcIOixGQ

[frogmiller]

The next pandemic is coming! We're being warned!

https://twitter.com/wolsned/status/1739593027776077872

[frogmiller]

https://x.com/stkirsch/status/1745640051638448213?s=42&t=V3MA7CRmlcvxGrPcIOixGQ

[frogmiller]

https://x.com/dowdedward/status/1745617830975082550?s=42&t=V3MA7CRmlcvxGrPcIOixGQ33

[Eternal Optimist]

Some of us have been aware of this evil cabal for years. I first stumbled across them about 30 years ago, and have been watching them ever since.

They give themselves away all the time. With covid, the big clues revolved around the sheer number of HXQ and Ivermectin manufacturing and processing plants across the globe that were suddenly and mysteriously razed to the ground.

[frogmiller]

https://t.co/XmVuKmfOeB

[frogmiller]

Some of us have been aware of this evil cabal for years. I first stumbled across them about 30 years ago, and have been watching them ever since.

They give themselves away all the time. With covid, the big clues revolved around the sheer number of HXQ and Ivermectin manufacturing and processing plants across the globe that were suddenly and mysteriously razed to the ground.

My daughter summed it up about me.

She said. ‘Ever since you were unwell with this you’ve been looking for a reason and wondering if it was only you.’

I dismissed a lot of stuff earlier on that I read but the dots are so easy to join. In fact they’ve already been joined up by others that have been vilified, name called and publicly shamed.

[KerrAvon]

Good afternoon, Frog.

You made several posts yesterday afternoon that called for a response from me. I’m not going to try to ‘quote’ them all as that would be incredibly messy, but will, instead, seek to address them in one or two posts.

You are absolutely right that I have not addressed every post that you have made on this thread (just as you have not, say, answered the questions that I posed in post 152). The reason is three fold:

1. It would take more time than I am willing to give to this site.
2. I don’t particularly want to address every assertion that you make. The spread of anti-vax propaganda undoubtedly carries a ‘body count’ with it, but you are clearly in a dark place and if you take comfort in your beliefs (as your daughter hints) who am I to gainsay that?
3. Even though I am aware of the harm that anti-vax propaganda can cause, I have met several people through my work who hold what might be called strongly held non-mainstream views (generally ‘Freeman of the Land’ types) and know that no amount of argument from me is going to change what I have no doubt are views that you honestly and deeply hold.

What I have sought to do is to invite you to question the sources of information that you are relying upon.

I have directly challenged your decision to post a clip of a person being taken ill when you yourself accept that there is no evidence of it being vaccine related. I have also challenged your decision to make a potentially frightening post about miscarriages being caused by mRNA vaccines when there is simply no evidence of that. I consider both of those posts to be ‘beyond the pale’. You don't have to agree, but that's my position.

In post 230 you hint that I am trying to silence you. I am not - just as I accept that you are not trying to silence me when you criticise my posting style.

And, with respect, you are trying to have your cake and eat it - a suggestion that I am trying to silence you makes little sense when set against your comment that I am passing over a lot of your posts.

[KerrAvon]

Moving on to the meat and drink of things. You say that ‘we’ll see’ in relation to your claim that mRNA vaccines are causing miscarriages. The vaccine rollout started over 3 years ago. Shouldn’t we be seeing it by now if it is happening?

Setting my position out explicitly:

1. I assume that we can agree that the data that I put up confirms no sudden fall in the birth rate of the UK, US and NZ following the vaccine roll out (such reductions that are present being consistent with long term trends).
2. We are in agreement that if men who have been vaccinated have had their sperm replace by spike protein then they will not be impregnating anyone and so will not be contributing to the birth figures.
3. I hope that we can agree that it is beyond any doubt that if a woman suffers the tragedy of a miscarriage, they will not be in a position to contribute to the birth figures for several months.
4. If vaccinated men aren’t in a position to impregnate and vaccinated women miscarry then there would inevitably be a fall in the birth rate would there not?

So where is the fall in the birth rate, Frog? Why isn’t it there? Where is the miscarriage date upon which your posts were based?

[KerrAvon]

There is truly nothing new under the sun.

Edward Jenner developed the first vaccine – for smallpox – in 1796 and published the results of his experiments in 1798.

By 1800, pamphlets were circulating that claimed that the Jenner vaccine contained ‘poison of adders, the blood, entrails and excretions of bats, toads and suckling whelps’ and that it caused recipients to ‘sprout horns, run around on all fours and squint like cows’.

Jenner responded in 1800 writing that ‘the feeble efforts of a few individuals to deprecate the new practice are sinking fast into contempt’.

Sadly, Twitter is the new pamphlet and Jenner’s hope that anti vax sentiment was sinking into contempt proved hopelessly optimistic.

I have no doubt that some of the authors of the pamphlets would have sincerely believed what they wrote as did the people who then circulated them

[frogmiller]

So where is the fall in the birth rate, Frog? Why isn’t it there? Where is the miscarriage date upon which your posts were based?

https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...rld/birth-rate - page one of a Duckduckgo search

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8251237/ - Page one of a Duckduckgo search.

[Eternal Optimist]

...I assume that we can agree that the data that I put up confirms no sudden fall in the birth rate of the UK, US and NZ following the vaccine...

The data you quoted was from 2021.

[Eternal Optimist]

Why are so many women dying during pregnancy and what can be done?
Number dying in UK has reached highest level in 20 years but alarming trend going unaddressed worldwide.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/jan/11/why-are-so-many-women-dying-during-pregnancy-and-what-can-be-done

[KerrAvon]

https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...rld/birth-rate - page one of a Duckduckgo search

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8251237/ - Page one of a Duckduckgo search.

The first link takes you to a page which confirms that there was no marked drop in the birth-rate after the vaccine roll out – merely the continuation of a historic trend that is obvious from the graph that shows the rate from 1950 onwards.

The second link take you to a study that compared miscarriage data from the period 29 June to 30 September 2019 with the similar period in 2020 and which showed an increase in miscarriage. As the period 29 June to 30 September 2020 predates the vaccine rollout, it is irrelevant to your point. Instead, it point to a possible miscarriage risk associated with covid infections or countermeasures that were in place at that time.

[KerrAvon]

The data you quoted was from 2021.

I know. Here's the 2022 date if you would prefer it. You will see that there was a marked reduction in the still birth rate for the year, which may point to an additional benefit from the rollout.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/birthsummarytablesenglandandwales/2022