O/T:- Vaccines: Pro/Anti & Conspiracy Theories [Originally Covid Pass and Meadow Ln.]

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I think there's a fair amount of hyperbole in that. For example, I don't know of any countries where governments have said people aren't allowed to enter food shops without proof of vaccine, in fact they always seem to be quite keep to avoid that sort of problem.

In the unlikely case that these people had neither an internet connection nor a telephone to order a delivery, and had no friends or family to pick food up for them, and preferred to do nothing while their health deteriorated or had literally no other way of getting hold of food, and all of this was happening happening on a significant scale, then we could reasonably say that we are on the cusp of literally starving people to death.

The trans issue you and I agree about, and I don't think anybody wants a Chjnese style social credit system.

I still haven't seen anything that has changed my mind that we are so far away from the Holocaust that any comparisons are unwise.

On a broader note, I would disagree with Swale (while appreciative of his hard work) that this thread has become like the Brexit threads. So far there have been some interesting exchanges of views and very little antagonism.

I think it's a myth that people never changed their views. Ok, people with very entrenched views are unlikely to change, but I personally have changed some of my opinions due at least in part to conversations on here with Bohinen. We need to respect each other, obviously, and not everyone will agree about everything, but when we stop talking and listening to each other is when we end up with divided societies.

I re-evaluated all of my political beliefs last year, triggered by the taking the knee/social "justice" phenomena setting the alarm bells ringing. I don't think that whole scene would have been anything like as widespread and in such sharp focus without the Covid crisis to enable it, I think the two are very much entwined and the left are being used as useful idiots to help usher in a whole new level of controls that could easily swing to the far right at any time, there comes a point where there's little difference anyway.

I don't think anybody is suggesting we are about to see a repeat of the holocaust in the next few years, but what we are seeing now is how totalitarianism begins. We have gone beyond "No Irish, no blacks, no dogs", which was never a government directive. This is as bad a situation as we've seen in western Europe for basic human rights since World War II.

If predictions of food shortages/supplies become reality, which group will people be calling for to be denied/rationed first?