Quote Originally Posted by Ellis_D View Post
No, my problem is the exact same issue as yours. Strictly speaking, the meat is NOT halal if it is has been stunned before slaughter. So the fact that 90% of the meat sold as halal actually isn't fully halal shows that there ARE a considerable number of Muslims willing to compromise in a non-Muslim land.

This though means that we are allowing this barbaric slaughter to appease an even smaller percentage of people.

This has nothing to do with being vindictive and everything to do with us living in the 21st century and trying to be as humane as possible when killing animals for food. We should NOT be changing our ways to act so barbarically in order to appease a small percentage of people.

The kind of people who insist that animals are killed in this way are probably the same kind of extremists who follow the evil passages in the Qur'an.

I have no interest one way or another if people want to bless an animal before it is killed. I'm not going to choke on some Arabic words.

However, by the same token, if we are being sensitive to the feelings of Muslim when they need to have religious words spoken before slaughtering an animal, we should also be sensitive to Christians and other groups if they don't want that to happen.
My schools source from suppliers where animals are stunned. Yes you take it on trust, as you do with fairtrade and any other ethical supplier. Before I was vegan I bought eggs from an ethical farm supplier. How did I know that they were ethical and not buying battery eggs and putting them in their boxes? Always an element of trust and RSPCA do random inspections on anything that they certify. I'm guessing that you trust a range of products that have various claims - but strangely you aren't willing to trust meat suppliers of hal al food? What does that tell us about your attitude towards them?

If you are saying that you are angry at the other 10% of meat that is not stunned then I tend to agree with you - as far as I'm aware the practice is illegal (may be wrong) and if it isn't then it should be. I agree with you here. However, don't flatter yourself that the difference is that big - many debate whether stunning an animal actually reduces pain and whether it makes any difference to the animal at all. I think there is enough evidence for me to back outlawing it personally, but even I wouldn't say that not stunning is barbaric. I think the whole practice is barbaric but that's where I have to accept the consensus. But no high horse to climb on over hal al and kosher death for you I'm afraid.

I guess if you genuinely think, as many do in this strange recent outburst of thought/paranoia on the far right, that there is a conspiracy of take over of our land coming from the Muslim population, that it is part of a master plan of sorts to absorb 'our way of doing things' then this is probably a waste of words anyway. Life must be very stressful and angry for you and others who feel this.