Quote Originally Posted by MagpieTony View Post
So basically Andy you're saying that if we accept immigrants and do not bow down to the demands of the immigrant population we have to accept that they may well want to kill us because our government is bad and that is something we just have to accept. We should disregard the other 1400 years of Islamic terror and expansion through violent Jihad because their terrorism is nothing to do with their religion, they're just pissed at the West.

I totally agree that some of the things we do and have done have bought suffering on the region of the Middle East and our governments have a lot to answer for both historically and currently, but the issue of Islamic violence goes back well beyond 20th century political action and well beyond the boundaries of the oil rich Middle East. It is a recurring theme all over the world and not just in the West including Countries well outside that of the Middle East. However, wherever in the world there is Islam there is always social unrest and violence.
No.

I'm saying that we have to stop engaging in regime change by military means (either direct or covert). This will cut down significantly on the number of refugees and severely cut down on the number of people seeking revenge for the deaths of their loved ones.

We have to stop our 'business' and military relationships with the tyrants that rule over them, especially Saudi Arabia who we directly assist in their war against Yemen and whom we supply with weapons and cash to brutally supress their own people (Uk and Canada included).

We have to stop supplying weapons and cash to 'Arab Spring' movements that we think are in our or Israel's interests. We need to stop being beholden to our own weapons manufacturers in order to achieve this....and we are beholden to them, because like middle-eastern tyrants, we are corrupt.

We have to stop propping up the aparthied regime that is Israel and make a serious effort to assist in negotiating a solution to that crisis without prejudice against Palestinians and wholly in favour of Israel (the terms of last suggested agreements were absolutely sickening).

We need to consider that Iran, Russia and other countries have interests in the region and that we should work together with them to our mutual benefit and especially to the benefit and interests of local people. Where we are selfish on behalf of our business elites and don't legitimately consider local interests (rather than simply the interests of our puppets), we will foment anger, hostility snd rebellion - it will appear in the guise of religion.