OT Covid priority groups

[Oldtimeram]

Up here in Cheshire I've seen the secondary school kids leaving school in large groups. No social distancing going on at all. No wonder they are the super spreaders

[ramAnag]

Up here in Cheshire I've seen the secondary school kids leaving school in large groups. No social distancing going on at all. No wonder they are the super spreaders

Exactly OTR...that’s a situation replicated outside virtually every secondary school in the country, and that’s before they get home and mix with other family members.

[Andy_Faber]

The maths of this make jabbing ‘oldest first’ so obvious even the govt couldn’t have got it wrong

[ramAnag]

The maths of this make jabbing ‘oldest first’ so obvious even the govt couldn’t have got it wrong

I didn’t actually say it didn’t...it’s the ‘maths’ of leaving the ‘super spreaders’ till towards the end that I’m querying.

[Andy_Faber]

I didn’t actually say it didn’t...it’s the ‘maths’ of leaving the ‘super spreaders’ till towards the end that I’m querying.

It wasn't a response to anything you (or anyone else) said rA, there's been so much talk about it in many quarters I just sat down for half an hour with a pencil and paper (ok and the calculator on my phone) and 'ran some scenarios' for the first time since my days in industry. Oldest (plus care workers as a given) comes out top whatever spanners you throw in the works, APART FROM the vaccine having an unknown side effect

However, Superspreaders only matter if they are also Superkillers, and if 99% of that cohort are vaxed out of danger, what's the issue? (I know that's flippant as there is the non-fatal aspect to it but on balance I'd rather be ill than dead)

[Ram59]

I didn’t actually say it didn’t...it’s the ‘maths’ of leaving the ‘super spreaders’ till towards the end that I’m querying.

One massive flaw with your query RA, so far, research has the vaccine has only been shown to protect people from getting covid, not from being able to pass it on.

So if you vaccinated every child in the country, you would save a handful of lives, but all those children may still be able to pass the virus on to their elderly loved ones. Their actions are already reckless, can you imagine what they'll be like if they're told that they're immune.

[MadAmster]

One massive flaw with your query RA, so far, research has the vaccine has only been shown to protect people from getting covid, not from being able to pass it on.

So if you vaccinated every child in the country, you would save a handful of lives, but all those children may still be able to pass the virus on to their elderly loved ones. Their actions are already reckless, can you imagine what they'll be like if they're told that they're immune.

What we're getting over here is that they know the vaccine helps reduce symptoms should you become infected, meaning you shouldn't need hospitalising or ICUing if you get infected. They don't know if it prevents infection. They also don't kow how long any infection prevention OR symptom reduction may last. They also don't know if you can infect others once vaccinated. What they do know is, because of all the things they don't know, that mask-wearing and "social" distancing will still be required.

The above is causing many people to ask "what's the point?"

[ramAnag]

One massive flaw with your query RA, so far, research has the vaccine has only been shown to protect people from getting covid, not from being able to pass it on.

So if you vaccinated every child in the country, you would save a handful of lives, but all those children may still be able to pass the virus on to their elderly loved ones. Their actions are already reckless, can you imagine what they'll be like if they're told that they're immune.

That’s fair enough Ram...to what extent the vaccine protects and for how long are, as you say and as I had already acknowledged, amongst the many unknowns.
I have no vested interest, beyond friends and one close relative who are teachers, and I certainly think there is a case for all teachers to be amongst the ‘workers’ who are vaccinated first.

IF we knew that being vaccinated both protected people from contracting Covid AND passing it on then I would unhesitatingly be in favour of secondary school pupils going somewhere near the top of the list. They are the ones who mix and then come into contact with older family members...stop that situation and you go a long way to quashing the virus...BUT I accept we don’t know that yet.