O/T Trussed in Leader gone

[Redshank]

It will be interesting to see what happens when these people realise that their protest vote has actually accelerated the decline in their living conditions rather than reversed it.

I hope they realise that living standards fall whole the country sees growth because that growth is disproportionately working its way to the top. I don't hold my breath though. I fear what the next bogeyman the right-wing media will invent will be.

They were probably damned if they did or damned if didn't vote for Brexit. We're talking about people who aren't political animals, at the bottom of the pile, without a voice and already hammered by "austerity" for 6 years....never mind the previous 30 after Thatcher. Their lives wouldn't have improved noticably if we'd stayed in. It's the middle classes that's making all the noise now. Nobody gives a sh;t about disenfranchised who still don't have a voice, nothing's changed in that respect. Unfortunately, they're not likely to feel that their vote can make a difference. Corbyn lit that fire briefly, but that was soon stamped out.

It's easy for the likes of you and me to pontificate and argue the toss over stuff like this, we don't have to worry where the next meal is coming from.

[crashbang]

Next meal? Bit dramatic. Go to my last post.

[howdydoo]

That's a very black and white view, Howdy.

If you look at the history of, say, the British moror industry, I think it's clear that there was a significant failure of management. There was a failure to innovate, which resulted in the industry turning out poorly engineered and shoddily built cars.

For what it's worth, my theory is that this country suffered from the legacy of empire. British industry had enjoyed pretty much guaranteed markets around the world, so why bother with such troublesome things as investment and R&D? There was no need to look at what the market wanted when those markets were guaranteed. When British industry had to trade in the real world it was very poorly prepared

There was(and is) a clear problem with industrial relations in the UK, but that's a two sided thing. I'm no expert, but my understanding of the German model is that employees have representation within the manegement of the businesses they work for. That has to be better than the 'them and us' UK approach.

I don't disagree.

I just take issue with everyone blaming Brexit. I think all countries are suffering at the moment with inflation, high energy prices etc. As I've already stated, we had a vote and for me, it hasn't been respected. I get that people were totally against it but it was a once in a generation vote.

Rather than spend years willing for it to be a complete disaster, maybe idiots like me just believe, we should give it a go. I'd rather the billions we've wasted, was invested in infrastructure and to support workers. If we have to follow the German model to make it work, let's try it.

[crashbang]

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/as-...overty/2672270

[crashbang]

Yep good model.

[howdydoo]

Yep good model.

It's infinitely better than our model. They are facing problems due to the war in Ukraine and energy prices. It's not all Brexits fault.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...ocations=DE-GB

[crashbang]

[QUOTE=howdydoo;40147581]It's infinitely better than our model. They are facing problems due to the war in Ukraine and energy prices. It's not all Brexits fault.

And so are we.

[Redshank]

Next meal? Bit dramatic. Go to my last post.

OK, so a rise in obesity means that food poverty is in decline... or even in existence?
Have you thought about applying for a job in this government? I think you'd fit right in

[crashbang]

Good idea ta.

[crashbang]

Some people don't know where their next takeaway is coming from.