Quote Originally Posted by Jampie View Post
Ok Andy, show me the evidence of the "Deal"?

You can attempt ridicule all you want but you've been cheerleading Russia, war crimes and all, in this war for months, denying that they're losing, denying any evidence they've been taking significant losses and this time they've made a fool of you by fleeing from "annexed" "Russian" territory.

By all means feel free to flail about with Kremlin lies or whatever. You can't talk your way out of a defeat this enormous.
I didn’t say there was a deal. I actually said, “I am likewise sceptical that any agreement will be made soon.”

I did say, however, that there are “rumours” of negotiations towards a deal in the telegram channels but thus far they remain exactly that - just rumours. They actually originated on the pro-Ukrainian channels, so I guess what you might mean is “**** Kiev propaganda!” These “rumours” concern the withdrawal of Russian troops from the northwest bank of the Dnieper in Kherson, the withdrawal of the AFU from near Donetsk city, Bakhmut and some other regions, supply to Ukraine of electricity from the ZNPP, funds from both the US and from confiscated/frozen Russian reserves for the rebuilding/restoration of Ukraine, and other things of the like. These rumours were received more optimistically in the pro-Ukrainian telegram channels, where they originated, but were mostly seen as hogwash or with derision in the pro-Russian channels.

While I have no idea as to their validity and as I said, “I am likewise sceptical that any agreement will be made soon”, I am always hopeful of any signs of a peaceful settlement on whatever terms both sides can agree to. I say the latter because without mutual agreement, it’s extremely unlikely there could be any lasting peace. Others however, including some in here, are perfectly willing to sacrifice as many Ukrainian lives as it takes in order to “Fu#* Russia and anyone who supports them.” Such a viewpoint would be comical if it weren’t so self-defeating.