O/T:- Palestine / Israel

[Old_pie]

You're absolutely right it goes back thousands of years. IIRC there's an old wall in Jericho that was carbon dated (the mortar or something) to 8,000 years ago, and there's records of Hebrews in Jerusalem during the Akkadian and Babylonian periods!

And you're probably right the current calamity will extend it for generations to come, but I hope you are wrong. Heart says you're wrong, head says you're right.

OK, I've just listened to it and I'll stick with my stance that looking back to 1967 isn't enough. Tony Glugg is right though that Western thinking isn't an only answer. There is an interview I stumbled acrsso on-line with an Hungarian Prime Minister, Viktor Mihály Orbán, in which he would have you understanding Putin's/Russia's viewpoint, and that was rather strange when I recall the USSR tanks on the streets of Budapest.

I am not a political student, nor one of history, but the one thing all this discussion seemed to miss was the religiously inbred DNA of the two parties. I don't know how right it is for the Jews to expect to have their own state and all the issues that gave rise to its creation. But it was a UN accepted solution. Imagine finding the Arab states around you attack you, 1967, and again by Egypt and Syria, and earlier:

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2...-what-happened

Aftermath of the war

Both the Arabs and Israel declared victory in the war. The Arab countries managed to salvage their defeats after repeated losses in the 1948, 1956 and 1967 wars with Israel.

At one stage, at the height of "the troubles" I had in mind a solution where Israel and Eire swapped places. The Jews would enjoy peace and the Irish would enjoy the fighting. (yes that is tongue in cheek, but it was a thought).

The elephants in the room are imo:

The Jews are disliked by many, and have been throughout history (I think even Britain had a guilt complex. In 1290, the entire Jewish population of England (about 3,000 people) was expelled from the country on the orders of Edward I - they were just too successful. Have a glance at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ews_in_England

Fundamentally ISLAM and Western culture do not blend and the State of Israel is more Western orientated than Arab/Middle East.

Islam and Judaism are incompatible with the former really wanting to obliterate the latter.

Anyway, I've probably said too much. I don't see a solution and when there is a stop to the fighting the lack of a solution will resurrect all the antagonism again for a future generation to deal with.

Oh, and the comment that Foreign Ministers don't understand enough about History to follow the experts is worrying, and just as worrying is that Ministers are appointed who don't understand (anything).