O/T:- Trump

[OldBanksy]

It's a simple fact that as a developer of property he has gone bust many times and not paid any of his creditors who are small hard working family businesses. Even though he could afford to pay them he just hid behind the wall of his companies and lawyers. Of course he isn't the only one to do that. Is that not a deplorable act in your eyes? He sold out the very people he is now claiming to represent to serve himself.

How many of his companies went bust? How many companies has he started? What do you think the purpose of a limited company is? Do you think businesses are all plain sailing?

[OldBanksy]

If he starts a war it will probably a civil one.

The US dodged a bullet when Trump turned his head.

[Elite_Pie]

Do you really believe that to get a presidential nomination you have to be a fine, upstanding citizen of the USA?

Definitely not.

I don’t know where you got the idea from, but it wasn't from anything I posted.

[Elite_Pie]

You are a very sad person.

Unfortunately it is a symbol of how low society has fallen.

Wrong. Like me, he was a very happy person when Sunak was booted out.

Did you overdose on the patronising pills last night?

[slack_pie]

If he starts a war it will probably a civil one.

A civil war could happen if Biden is re-elected as well. There's a schism in the USA that's beyond repair. You can't expect people in rural Texas to have the same worldview as those living in New Hampshire. Politics - everything, in fact - has become more polarised in recent years. More extreme. I'm not sure how that process can be reversed.

[drillerpie]

The glib answer would be a Russian perspective, and perhaps various other non-western countries who have a different definition of democracy compared with us, but perhaps that needs unpacking a little more.

Being a westerner, I don't perceive Russia as a democratic country, and I'm highly dubious about the democratic claims of various other countries, not least those who seem to like to call themselves Democratic Republics!

However, the West really has no more divine right to define the interpretation of democracy than anyone else, indeed the British interpretation of a democratic system could certainly be open to question when you see the outcomes delivered by First Past The Post the other week!

As I've got older I've come to appreciate, far more, why non-Western countries find the West's presumptions to have the best political systems (and answers to life in general) questionable, if not arrogant. We do have a bit of a God complex about us, when actually all we've got is a view, not a definite correct answer. I think western democracy is the best, but then I would, wouldn't I?

The glib answer is glib because it assumes that 1) what is happening there is supposed to be a kind of democracy, and 2) that Russian people understand it to be democracy. I would strongly disagree with both of those.

Russia under late-stage Putin aspires to be an Orthodox Christian fascist Eurasian empire. Using the word fascist frivolously is something I find very annoying, so I don't throw it around casually.

Voting in free elections for different ideas is a perverse affectation of the bourgeois intellectual west (that means the Jews, in case you were wondering). Voting should be the ritual homage paid by the population to the charismatic and spiritually pure leader.

I would highly recommend reading scholarly articles about the historical and contemporary figures Putin admires and is inspired by. Ivan Ilyin, Aleksander Dugin, the Izborsky Club, and so on. A lot of what is happening in the world will make more sense afterwards.

There's a lot of empirical evidence to suggest that western democracy leads to better outcomes for countries and the people who live there, so saying that doesn't imply bias. Of course if people want to live under an autocratic regime and are happy there that's great, but it's hard to ascertain that in the absence of a free press and free elections.

[SmiffyPie]

Of course if people want to live under an autocratic regime and are happy there that's great, but it's hard to ascertain that in the absence of a free press and free elections.

And the suppression of free speech. I see there is an arrest warrant from a Russian court for Yulia Navalny.

[MarcusCole]

A civil war could happen if Biden is re-elected as well. There's a schism in the USA that's beyond repair. You can't expect people in rural Texas to have the same worldview as those living in New Hampshire. Politics - everything, in fact - has become more polarised in recent years. More extreme. I'm not sure how that process can be reversed.

I'm seriously concerned a Civil war will start whatever the result. The Dems call Trump an illegitimate President and claimed he didn't win in 2016, they even had hearings in Congress about it. The Republicans claimed Biden didn't really win in 2020. There is plenty of evidence of vote riggings and voter suppression in both elections. If there is a not a clear winner then the whole thing could flare up in a way that cannot be stopped.

I lived in the States for 3 years and still have friends over there. If you think our press is bad you need to see theirs, they are all liars, they just push out the craziest garbage and the midwits (yes midwit look it up if you don't know what it means) on both sides just go along with the ride. We have plenty of midwits on this site that go along with the narrative they have been fed and are unable to ever accept reality even when presented with the facts.

[BigFatPie]

A mate of mine over here in New Zealand is a senior Police Officer and he always says that for someone to say they 'hate' somebody who they have never met or had no dealings with, says more about the mental capacity of those doing the 'hating' rather than mental capacity of the one they hate.

‘Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.’

Yoda.

Great philosophers Yoda and your made up police mate truly are.

[slack_pie]

I'm seriously concerned a Civil war will start whatever the result. The Dems call Trump an illegitimate President and claimed he didn't win in 2016, they even had hearings in Congress about it. The Republicans claimed Biden didn't really win in 2020. There is plenty of evidence of vote riggings and voter suppression in both elections. If there is a not a clear winner then the whole thing could flare up in a way that cannot be stopped.

I lived in the States for 3 years and still have friends over there. If you think our press is bad you need to see theirs, they are all liars, they just push out the craziest garbage and the midwits (yes midwit look it up if you don't know what it means) on both sides just go along with the ride. We have plenty of midwits on this site that go along with the narrative they have been fed and are unable to ever accept reality even when presented with the facts.

Exactly. Unless it's a landslide, both sides will pull out all the stops to claim that the result is false and the president is illegitimate. If Biden wins, I could seriously see Texas or even Florida looking to break away from the union.