⚽ Match Thread vs. Barrow FC 22.10.24 [EFL L2]

[Med Pie]

This first five minutes conceding thing is easy to fix, just tell the defence to lump it forward until ten minutes have gone. They will be settled in then and the intial press from the other team will have eased off. It's no wonder we get into trouble when six players are pressing three who are trying to tippy tappy out

Exactly this, Barrow was a perfect example. I said to my mates that Barrow wouldn't be able to keep up the same energy and that the second half would be different, so teams now have a template for how to play against us.

1. First half, high energy, high press, hopefully score.

2. Sit deep defending a lead, park the bus and spoiling tactics, we're seeing this week in week out against us but we seem unable to work out a fix.

This tippy, tappy stuff at the back when you're being pressed so effectively, looks set for disaster every time. We don't seem to have worked out though that when teams are piling forward to press, it leaves a big gap in midfield which we should be able to exploit.

[Med Pie]

Surely Notts fans can’t bemoan the product served up over recent seasons. Has it not been overall very entertaining? The product is definitely inferior this season as we look worryingly poor in one half of football almost every game this season and we aren’t as easy on the eye. However the fans were fed up with conceding so many goals, gifting goals with comedy defending and wanted more balance. We now have that the defensive unit is unrecognisable to last season.

Of course not and I'm not moaning in that regard but you have to adapt your game and we just aren't doing that in the face of tactics which are now used against us, effectively, on a weekly basis.

The 'poor' half to which you refer, is because we're allowed to be more expansive in the second half as teams sit back and defend what is often a lead, it's not our tactics that effect change, it's theirs. As already stated, our style looks fragile under the high press with players regularly, looking like they might lose the ball or worse.

[matt_magpie]

SM post Barrow:

https://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news...rrow--maynard/

Good interview tbf and explanation on the change and why he put Crowley deep, whether you agree with it is a different matter.

[countygump]

Bl00dy hell!


https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/...eplica-9655191

[caj85]

Exactly this, Barrow was a perfect example. I said to my mates that Barrow wouldn't be able to keep up the same energy and that the second half would be different, so teams now have a template for how to play against us.

1. First half, high energy, high press, hopefully score.

2. Sit deep defending a lead, park the bus and spoiling tactics, we're seeing this week in week out against us but we seem unable to work out a fix.

This tippy, tappy stuff at the back when you're being pressed so effectively, looks set for disaster every time. We don't seem to have worked out though that when teams are piling forward to press, it leaves a big gap in midfield which we should be able to exploit.

The problem with this tactic is that our midfield just can't win 1st and 2nd balls so the opposition seemingly walk through it. If we just lump it forward they get more of the ball and grow in confidence and press more. We don't then get the chance to settle in after 10 minutes.

[Boomerangpie]

Of course not and I'm not moaning in that regard but you have to adapt your game and we just aren't doing that in the face of tactics which are now used against us, effectively, on a weekly basis.

The 'poor' half to which you refer, is because we're allowed to be more expansive in the second half as teams sit back and defend what is often a lead, it's not our tactics that effect change, it's theirs. As already stated, our style looks fragile under the high press with players regularly, looking like they might lose the ball or worse.

Yes I think we are struggling to effective adjust to counter this tactic from opposition. Obviously that is easier said than done and something the coaches need to work out with the players currently available.

The improved second half is also because you can’t effectively play the fast high press for 90 mins whether they are leading or not. Energy levels won’t allow it. Although it emphasises the need to score first which we aren’t doing.

Might lose the ball doesn’t worry me at all, lose the ball in those areas does not that we are conceding many goals this season.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

respect to all Notts fans, but I do think the promotion season did weird stuff to expectations and created a base feeling of almost entitlement. Even though we're struggling to deal with injuries, we're 3rd and getting away points at difficult places. Yes, the performance trend is worrying, but don't panic Captain Manwaring!

This is a good point and people should take note. We spent four seasons in the National League and under LW at that level we completely dominated possession and teams. We scored lots of goals and had the battle with Wrexham. We were a huge fish in a smaller pond. We still are big fish at this level but it's a different standard.

We are third in the table and have an unbeaten away record. After 13 games that's a good position to be in. We are picking up points and that's the main thing. It's League two it's going to be a battle and a slog. I also don't think there is a lot of difference between the top 12 or even more teams this season. As I've said elsewhere a couple of five or six winning runs over the season will get any team right up there. Of course I want us to play slick passing and possession football and score a lot of goals but it's not going to always be possible. We needed to score loads last season to compensate for the amount we conceded. This season is different. We are much better defensively and this is why I believe we have done much better away from home compared to last season. Harrogate on Saturday should give us an idea as to how well this squad can manage with a number of injuries. These are the teams we should be beating especially at home. Do that and it makes the win against Wimbledon and draw at Barrow an excellent week. We do need to stop conceding early goals though and get in front and control the game certainly at home.

I also think some of the expectation comes from seeing, Wrexham, Mansfield and Stockport pushing on and in front of us in the league above. They are all riding the crest of the wave of promotion from League Two and have had very good starts to their seasons. But we also must not compare ourselves to them either. I'll be happy if we are in the top three by the new year regardless of performances because I believe we will be better in the second half of the season mainly because the new players would have had six months to settle in get to know the club and each other but also players like JJ returning from injury. We may sign a couple in January as well.

[Poultonmagpie]

And who was criticizing me for saying we were threadbare when we started the season? Can't understand why we have not recalled chicksen or morias

I was also shot down in flames when I gave my opinion before the transfer window closed that we were very weak in depth up front, I said then that McGoldrick would play 1 in 2 or even 3 games, to be effective, Scott looked lost ( we now know why), Jatta is inconsistent, So I said we needed a decent forward at least. This was before we bought Brown in who looks to be poor.
With the long term injuries to JJ and Edwards, together with what is becoming a continued run of injuries to players 3 more missing yesterday, we are looking very very threadbare and it is now begging to show!! I cant see us being above 10th come mid December.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

I was also shot down in flames when I gave my opinion before the transfer window closed that we were very weak in depth up front, I said then that McGoldrick would play 1 in 2 or even 3 games, to be effective, Scott looked lost ( we now know why), Jatta is inconsistent, So I said we needed a decent forward at least. This was before we bought Brown in who looks to be poor.
With the long term injuries to JJ and Edwards, together with what is becoming a continued run of injuries to players 3 more missing yesterday, we are looking very very threadbare and it is now begging to show!! I cant see us being above 10th come mid December.

I do think that a striker is probably on the list of priorities certainly whether that be in January or next summer. Jatta's record at this level is good but he can't be expected to do it on his own. Didzy is much valued and loved and is key, but we almost need a successor who by the time Didzy calls time whenever that maybe they are ready to make the step up. Obviously the situation with Scott compounds the striker situation more.

Having said that it shouldn't just be strikers scoring goals. Midfielders ideally need to be scoring, and a handful of goals a season from defenders.

[Wollat11]

With the long term injuries to JJ and Edwards, together with what is becoming a continued run of injuries to players 3 more missing yesterday, we are looking very very threadbare and it is now begging to show!!

Right now we can only field, effectively, a gritty mid-table team scrapping for points. Pity about the injuries, with everyone fit different gravy. Manager and players doing great considering. I have no axe to grind.