Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
I'm sorry that you are having to pay some money in order to contribute to a fellow European sovereign country defending themselves from an autocratic dictatorship!

I would agree that if the Ukranian people, via their democratically elected leader, were happy to negotiate a settlement, that involved them losing X territory and were also happy to be barred from joining NATO, when all other European sovereign countries were able to do so, then I'd be happy for that to happen. But as it stands, the majority of the Ukrainian people, led by their democratically elected leader are showing no signs of wanting to do that. So, it looks like we have a choice (assuming Putin persists with his invasion): we either work with other European sovereign countries to find a way of defeating Russia so that our fellow European sovereign country regains it's own territory for it's people, or we withdraw completely and let Russia take as much of Ukraine as they like. And then of course, help himself to territories beyond there as we will have signalled that he is free to do so without intervention. I take it you're on the side of the latter?

Interesting comparison with Ireland, if we should want to go back to 12th century history to show comparables. I think a greater comparison was Hitler's plan to expand into Poland and Eastwards beyond to create the fabled German 'living space'. Thankfully, we stood up against that one.
I'm sorry too! The West promissed Russia that they would not expand NATO but it has!

You can read all of the USAID sponsored media that has currupted us and the truth and made it acceptable for the likes of Biden to profit. The gain of function Labs of which the USA have admitted to their being up to 30 labs. Do you remember the white flags of the media telling us all that Russia was targetting them, Yes I took that Shyte in as well.

The EU would not allow the Ukraine to join because they were seen to be corrupt. You talk of democracy in the Ukrain is laughable! Ukraine is where opposition parties are being banned! Imagine that in Britain. Labour takes Britian into war then banns the Tories!

The rules of NATO have been set for years and it is that 'NO' country which has any occupated territory should be allowed to join!

Do you think Putin would go any further?

What the Germans did to the Ukrainians and the Russians was no comparrison! The weather wlost that one for Hitler as well as the downfall and stupid activities of Benito Mussolini! But then again if the Russians had the same railway track gauge than the Germans it may have been a different story again.

The Irish reference was to prove that the overtaking of a country can be a peaceful one just like in Cyprus! They're not happy but they're not at war anymore!

I want the war over and it can be done through negotiations but others want to feed the war machine and we can pay the debt forever whilst generations die!

I may be in the minority on this one!