O/T And we wonder why we trust Starmer

[frogmiller]

Keir Starmer?s Labour Party has a new agreement with Apple to have access to your Apple account namely the Apple Cloud.

In presume that they will have to get a warrant.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

In presume that they will have to get a warrant.

Who knows with our two-kier legal system?

[animallittle3]

Amazing how the EU and the UK are all for having protections around the borders of Ukraine but when it comes to their own they let half the world walk in without any kind of clue of who they are .

May I recommend a book written by the excellent Douglas Murray titled The Strange Death Of Europe .

Mind blowing how Europe and the UK are or have turned the continent in to a third world refuge camp .

[Steve Miller]

As both previous posters note... a Globalist intrigue courtesy of the World Economic Forum.
Founded by Klaus Schwab, whose family provided Hitler's armaments. Devotees include Starmer, Blair, Brown, all Tories except Boris who was excluded on stupidity issues, Gates, Xi, our own wonderful King.... and a frightening number more.

[MillerBill]

The last weak Globalist govt. has been replaced by an even worse Globalist one.We all know the real controllers are based at Whitehall NOT the democratically elected residents at Westminster.

[Steve Miller]

In presume that they will have to get a warrant.

Starmer was nicely on his way to creating a police state here until world events turned out the lights on him.
I was at Manvers (by chance, not in any active form); I saw his lousy police force deliberately let it happen. I saw his first murder victim made - Peter Lynch, a pensioner waving a placard and doing NOTHING more....
Arrested. Persuaded to plead guilty to 'violent disorder' to get an easy time.. jailed for nearly three years.. hanged himself in his cell weeks later.
Starmer is filth. And I hope he is reading this.

[UlleyMiller]

Starmer was nicely on his way to creating a police state here until world events turned out the lights on him.
I was at Manvers (by chance, not in any active form); I saw his lousy police force deliberately let it happen. I saw his first murder victim made - Peter Lynch, a pensioner waving a placard and doing NOTHING more....
Arrested. Persuaded to plead guilty to 'violent disorder' to get an easy time.. jailed for nearly three years.. hanged himself in his cell weeks later.
Starmer is filth. And I hope he is reading this.

He pushed a police officer and shouted 'scum' at them. It didn't justify a stretch inside, but as with any of those taking part, they had a good idea what was likely to happen, given the general mood in many places and what had unfolded the previous four nights in other towns. It was an absolutely awful set of decisions he made, but it should have never landed him in prison.

Starmer's response wasn't particularly good, but his options were limited. Too heavy handed with a response and it's a police state, too soft and it's the "same old soft left". I wouldn't have wanted any part of the management of what happened, and I'd wager barely anyone else would be comfortable to put themselves up for a situation like that - especially with political trolls like Tice in the wings, and far right groups manipulating bored football hooligans.

[KerrAvon]

He pushed a police officer and shouted 'scum' at them. It didn't justify a stretch inside, but as with any of those taking part, they had a good idea what was likely to happen, given the general mood in many places and what had unfolded the previous four nights in other towns. It was an absolutely awful set of decisions he made, but it should have never landed him in prison.

Starmer's response wasn't particularly good, but his options were limited. Too heavy handed with a response and it's a police state, too soft and it's the "same old soft left". I wouldn't have wanted any part of the management of what happened, and I'd wager barely anyone else would be comfortable to put themselves up for a situation like that - especially with political trolls like Tice in the wings, and far right groups manipulating bored football hooligans.

He was convicted of violent disorder, which is an offence committed in the following way:

Where 3 or more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence and the conduct of them (taken together) is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety, each of the persons using or threatening unlawful violence is guilty of violent disorder (section 2(1) Public Order Act 1986).

The use of the words 'taken together' in the defintion is crucial here. He didn't just push a police officer and shouted scum, he pushed a police officer and shouted scum as part of a mob that threw missiles at officers, shouted threats and abuse, caused damage and set fires both within and outside the hotel.

The court had no option other than to send Lynch to prison, both because of the gravity of violent disorder and because of the guidance given by the Court of Appeal in cases arising from the riots in 2011, which made it clear than an immediate and lengthy sentence should follow for persons convicted of involvement in large scale disturbances.

The 2011 riots involved a lot of black defendants. I can't remember the right getting upset about the punitive sentences that followed. Funny that.

I'm not sure why Starmer gets the blame for Lynch's death. It was Lynch who involved himself in the mob and a court that sent him down in accordance with the relevant guidance. The notion that anyone would plead guilty to violent disorder to get an 'easy time' is comical.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Starmer was nicely on his way to creating a police state here until world events turned out the lights on him.
I was at Manvers (by chance, not in any active form); I saw his lousy police force deliberately let it happen. I saw his first murder victim made - Peter Lynch, a pensioner waving a placard and doing NOTHING more....
Arrested. Persuaded to plead guilty to 'violent disorder' to get an easy time.. jailed for nearly three years.. hanged himself in his cell weeks later.
Starmer is filth. And I hope he is reading this.

Interesting is that ? let it happen? comment

A lot was made regarding putting lives at risk by setting fires yet less than 5 minutes away from the hotel is a fire station yet there didn?t seem much of an effort to deploy their services.

Much more dramatic to let the fires burn

[millersrus]

Let it happen or more just incompetence from the PC in charge.
Unions were down there doing ani demo they knew it was escalating but the police didn’t?
Sunday afternoon and couldn’t be bothered.