Southgate

[queenslandpie]

I'd Seen that Sarina Wiegman's name was up for consideration. I would not classify her as a token choice just to make the FA look good. She does know what she's doing clearly. Thoughts? I don't really know what to think! One thing to consider is that having a female in charge might stop a lot of the ridiculous ill considered media and fan vitriol ( for a while). Of course in the long term it could make it worse as well.

[applepie2]

I'd Seen that Sarina Wiegman's name was up for consideration. I would not classify her as a token choice just to make the FA look good. She does know what she's doing clearly. Thoughts? I don't really know what to think! One thing to consider is that having a female in charge might stop a lot of the ridiculous ill considered media and fan vitriol ( for a while). Of course in the long term it could make it worse as well.

Unfortunately I think she would be treated like other women. Maybe not initially by the media, but by a lot of people on social media. I think the media would follow, unless she was doing a fantastic job. At the first poor performance, some of the pundits would turn on her - “she doesn’t know anything about the men’s game, she’s out of her depth etc.”. All the misogyny and lack of respect for women would surface.

[Lullapie]

Unfortunately I think she would be treated like other women. Maybe not initially by the media, but by a lot of people on social media. I think the media would follow, unless she was doing a fantastic job. At the first poor performance, some of the pundits would turn on her - “she doesn’t know anything about the men’s game, she’s out of her depth etc.”. All the misogyny and lack of respect for women would surface.

Sorry to be pedantic, but is it always misogyny when someone says that due to someone's $ex, they are not in a position to do the best job? In an ideal world, of course that wouldn't be a contributing factor, but unfortunately, we are all human beings (well most of us) and we all have a living brain (well most of us) and we can interpret why someone might not be good at a job. It's a big call to appoint someone to a role purely on their $ex. It happens a lot in business nowadays and the employees end up suffering because of it.

If the FA genuinely believe she is the best person in the world for the job - then go for it. However, if they are bandying her name around to tick boxes, then that is cruel to her and to England football fans.

As an aside, I played under a female football manager at Linby Athletic in the 90s for a short time. She had articles in many magazines written about her and I think she was even on TV comparing her to Cherie Lunghi's character, the Manageress. To be honest she was crap and although her husband played for the team and we all knew her well before she took over, it never worked out. There was that 'je ne sais quoi' about the whole situation. Don't get me wrong, I've played under some bad male managers, but don't call me a misandrist for saying it.

The women's game is nowhere near the level of the man's game - it may be one day, but certainly not in my lifetime and without the legalisation of performance enhancing drugs, I think it would be difficult to get it there.

It's funny, over here they are really pushing Male Netball. The national team is probably on a par with the women's team, but hardly anyone watches them. Netball is massive in New Zealand (like rugby - don't talk to me about minority sports), but very few self-respecting Kiwi males would pay to watch men play Netball - although they will pay to watch Men play Basketball. It's a funny old world.

[queenslandpie]

Sorry to be pedantic, but is it always misogyny when someone says that due to someone's $ex, they are not in a position to do the best job? In an ideal world, of course that wouldn't be a contributing factor, but unfortunately, we are all human beings (well most of us) and we all have a living brain (well most of us) and we can interpret why someone might not be good at a job. It's a big call to appoint someone to a role purely on their $ex. It happens a lot in business nowadays and the employees end up suffering because of it.

If the FA genuinely believe she is the best person in the world for the job - then go for it. However, if they are bandying her name around to tick boxes, then that is cruel to her and to England football fans.

As an aside, I played under a female football manager at Linby Athletic in the 90s for a short time. She had articles in many magazines written about her and I think she was even on TV comparing her to Cherie Lunghi's character, the Manageress. To be honest she was crap and although her husband played for the team and we all knew her well before she took over, it never worked out. There was that 'je ne sais quoi' about the whole situation. Don't get me wrong, I've played under some bad male managers, but don't call me a misandrist for saying it.

The women's game is nowhere near the level of the man's game - it may be one day, but certainly not in my lifetime and without the legalisation of performance enhancing drugs, I think it would be difficult to get it there.

It's funny, over here they are really pushing Male Netball. The national team is probably on a par with the women's team, but hardly anyone watches them. Netball is massive in New Zealand (like rugby - don't talk to me about minority sports), but very few self-respecting Kiwi males would pay to watch men play Netball - although they will pay to watch Men play Basketball. It's a funny old world.

You wrote the best part of a paragraph about the one bad female manager you played for in some detail and then mentioned in passing you had played for several bad male ones. So I think on balance it is probably fair to tag you as a little bit of an accidental misogynist! I hope Sarina gets the job and shows Gareth up for the overly cautious defensively minded manager that he was. If nothing else it would be funny. On the balance of probability the chance of it happening is close to zero but I would definitely have her over any of the other current English managers who could be in line for the job. At least she actually won a final.

[Lullapie]

So I think on balance it is probably fair to tag you as a little bit of an accidental misogynist!

You're assuming that because I said that I played for a bad female football manager that I am a misogynist? How the hell do you get that from what I said.

I also said that because I'd played for a few bad, male managers I wasn't a misandrist.

My comments were that if someone is appointed to a role because of their $ex, then that is wrong (and I'd find it patronising if I was female).

If you believe that Wiegman is the best person in the world that the FA could appoint for the England Manager's role, then you are deluded.

I'm sat here now writing this thinking to myself are you serious or just taking the pi$$.

Just tell me again how this works, in your mind. Let me ask you a question by the use of an example:

Your parents own a business and want to retire. You want to take over the business, but you're too young (sorry I am being ageist too in this example) so your family decides to appoint someone to run the business while you grow up, through the business.

Do they:

1 - Employ the best person out there to do the job or
2 - Employ someone on their $ex because people need to be given a chance in life, not because of their ability, but because they are being victimised against due to what $ex they were born.

Now if you pick the first one - you're a hypocrite. You'd be happy for someone to take an uncalculated risk with their money, but not with your inheritance.

If you pick the second one - you deserve all you get.

[nw6pie]

You wrote the best part of a paragraph about the one bad female manager you played for in some detail and then mentioned in passing you had played for several bad male ones. So I think on balance it is probably fair to tag you as a little bit of an accidental misogynist! I hope Sarina gets the job and shows Gareth up for the overly cautious defensively minded manager that he was. If nothing else it would be funny. On the balance of probability the chance of it happening is close to zero but I would definitely have her over any of the other current English managers who could be in line for the job. At least she actually won a final.

Sarina also lost a major final where England were second best to a Spanish team, and has just scraped through the qualifiers for the next Euros. Funnily enough, I think the women’s team mirrors the men’s one in many ways - plenty of talented individuals, but quite a negative coach. And the one triumph was in a tournament on home soil where the final against Germany could have gone either way.

Let her carry on doing the job she was hired to do with the women’s team.

[i961pie]

Was the second goal meaning they would have lost in 90 mins, the fourt goal whent in right at the end so was irrelevant

Sorry Davy it was the third goal. Peter's scored the second to put us in front before Webber equalised in the 89th minute to make it 2-2. Hurst hit the bar and the ball bounced on the line for the 3rd in extra time.
I agree with you though we were lucky to be given that goal.

[i961pie]

In fact other nations specifically germany think its Karma for Engalnds unjustified win in 66 - other nations love Engalnds entitled arragance then laugh when the fans and press throw their toys out of the pram when they lose yet again
Its the toxity of some Engalnds fans and press - for me it makes no difference who the new Engalnds manager is, it will be the same old rip them to shreds- when will they ever learn and actually get behind their team

I think Germany got their own back on the Karma bit when Lampards goal was disallowed when it was shown to be a foot over the line. That was right on half time and we would have gone in level at 2-2 after being 2 nil down.

[SinceSept1959]

No sarcasm people like you are a disgrace - i have said if you dont like it go off and do something else but stop complaining.People loke you are never satisfied unless your moaning
At least your not like all the others who have come out today and said how great Gareth is, trouble is it was a month to late, they should have been saying these things at the start of the tournament.
England managers just cant win no matter what they do, Southgate stuck to a system that was very competitive and got us to the later and last stages of a knockout competitions, , in the finals maybe with a bit of luck woould have won it, as England did in 66 .
Its all very well people saying make subs earlier attack more, funny enough that was our undoing against spain, after equalising we tried to attack, leaving large spaces for spain to exploit as in the player that was allowed to run 60 yards unmarked

What a sad bigoted comment.
No one is complaining, merely stating an opinion that is different from your own point of view.
At least get your facts correct and relevant to the post. Don't make assumptions and research historic events before posting about events 58 years ago.
I certainly did do other things rather than watch Southgateball. The World Pool Championships were much more entertaining, as the Little Snoring Tiddlywinks tournament would have been.
You state that England would have won the final if they had any luck. If the manager had gone for the win they may well have done so rather than reverting to type after equalising.
As for luck , England were very lucky throughout the finals or they wouldn't even have made the final.
Lucky group stages with no top opponents , a Bellingham strike that most times wouldn't have scored a goal, a very fortunate non penalty v The Netherlands, a delayed one game ban for Bellingham (unlike the 2 goal Turkish goalscorer ) and apparently fortunate late goals to boot in added time.
Other than Eddie Lowe and Nolan I've never wanted ant manager sacked but footballers and managers are only employees and if not upto the job should be replaced by someone more capable.
Finally , grow up, and don't make bigoted assumptions on who should support Notts or question their allegiance towards the club.

[irishpete]

I went to the paint drying tournament. The speed was something else. Was surprised how quick it was.
Did you not want Murphy sacked? I remember near the end of his tenure walking out ML due to his clueless tactics & I think attendances were hovering just over 4k on a Saturday