Dundee United v Aberdeen

[RED_JOHN]

I would give him next season but its not up to me.

Its Cormacks decision because he was the one who appointed him in the first place.

He might be backing him and giving him another season because its not going to look good on Cormack if he has got to sack another manager.

That would be 5 managers if you include Warnock that hes got wrong in 4 years.

It?s good to see your opinion on Thelin. I obviously disagree but i am humble enough to hope you?re correct and he does well.

None of us here want to see managers sacked every season but at Aberdeen a standard needs to be set and in my opinion (unless he wins the Scottish Cup?.no laughing at the back) he already looks a very beaten man manager.

Since the locked dressing room door talking too at Ibrox he has lost his players. An easy beating in the next match against a second string Celtic team and then another poor defeat at Tannadice doesn?t portray a great look at our club.
I would argue our players and him have downed tools and their season is over. The cup final looks like it is a match of inconvenience and one he is dreading.

Can anyone say they believe any of our players look up for it? That to me is a massive disappointment and definitely suggests the manager and his players no longer connect.
That is why a parting of the ways must happen.

[rico94]

That would be concerning if Thelin has lost the dressing room because the same has been said under Goodwin , Robson and Warnock.

I remember towards the end of McInnes time as well we lost to Hibs at Easter road and Willie Miller said on the radio that the players looked like they werent playing for him.

Must be a toxic culture at the club.

[blowupsheep]

Must be a toxic culture at the club.

yip and it's created by Davie wanna bee Yank Cormack, his ego, his mates and his, fcukin prawcess

[WhenTattieFlooredChas]

I obviously disagree but i am humble enough to hope you?re correct and he does well.

None of us here want to see managers sacked every season ...........
That is why a parting of the ways must happen.

Good consistency there.

Anyway, I really believe he needs a 2nd season. It's a tired old trope, but today's football world is too quick to sack someone.

As a dons fan I will (nearly) always back the manager in the hope they can get it right, largely as I have no say over their sacking so can only really hope for the best. Sometimes they need to go - Robson, Glass - but they still got my backing until they're gone, even if I've thought they couldn't get us out of the mess we were in. In Goodwin's case I don't think he should ever have bee allowed to set foot in the door. Really rankles they finished above us in the league.

That said - Jimmy (in my opinion) clearly knows a thing or two about football, given the relative success he had prior to us. It just hasn't quite clicked for large parts of this season. But I have to believe he knows more than we do about the game and can turn it around. There are obviously some who walk amongst us whose knowledge transcends that of most mortals, but for the rest of us (who don't see things quicker than most people) I think he deserves a fair crack. Unless he is dragging us down to the bottom half next season I am happy to see if he can turn it around.

The lack of consistency, and the overnight jump from almost over night 'we can't lose' to 'we can't win', bugs me no end. Out of 38 games I reckon we should win around 20 and be hitting 3rd, and dare I say even 2nd (yeah yeah, we should be aiming for 1st but that really isn't happening anytime soon - not due to a financial gulf of course, but other mitigating factors). So, yes, Jimmy has some improving to do over the next year, but I think he can, and will support him until it looks like he might drag us into a mire, and hope for him to be replaced before that spirals too far - but not before giving him a fair chance.

I wholly admit I might be a little too generous with the time I would give someone to get it right, but believe that chances should be given rather than staying on the constant merry-go-round of new managers.

To go with another overused example - imagine if the greatest manager to ever walk the earth wasn't give from 1986-1992 to get things right. The following 2 decades of a certain teams successes would have looked very different. I still think he has something to offer and look forward to him hopefully fulfilling it this season.

We have the budget for 3rd, but have no god given right to be there. We should also be looking at decent cup runs every year, with a win in one of the cups (in my opinion) every 3 or 4 years. In the 114 years (?) outwith the Ferguson years, we have won the league once, the scottish cup 3 times and the league cup 5 times (Vintage might be able to clarify if I am about right with this). That is a grand total of 9 domestic honours over 114 years - an average of an honour every 12 years. Going by that we are just about due one. We should be doing better but have clearly been a very lazy team for 114 years.

[RED_JOHN]

I think we all want a manager to do well as it means the team are doing well but giving him extra time doesn’t mean it’s going to get better especially when we have the evidence that as time goes on it’s getting worse.

Even when we get a doing in the final the club will still stick by him as I am more than certain they are incapable of changing the way they all go about their business. They don’t look into managers properly and are easily spoon fed charm by their previous employees rather than seeing a genuine substance that can change Aberdeen for the better.

The wrong type of people are consistently making poor choices for the football side of the club. The Aberdeen first team is what we genuinely all support and most in reality couldn’t give a damn about financial superlatives etc.
They will never be able to pick a manager we need as their strengths don’t align with football.

What do we need to do to change it…firstly we must change some who are making these football decisions. Employ someone who is more capable as they will have a plan on how Aberdeen FC must perform very regularly.

Without this change we will continue to struggle

[TheDeeDon]

Good consistency there.

Anyway, I really believe he needs a 2nd season. It's a tired old trope, but today's football world is too quick to sack someone.

As a dons fan I will (nearly) always back the manager in the hope they can get it right, largely as I have no say over their sacking so can only really hope for the best. Sometimes they need to go - Robson, Glass - but they still got my backing until they're gone, even if I've thought they couldn't get us out of the mess we were in. In Goodwin's case I don't think he should ever have bee allowed to set foot in the door. Really rankles they finished above us in the league.

That said - Jimmy (in my opinion) clearly knows a thing or two about football, given the relative success he had prior to us. It just hasn't quite clicked for large parts of this season. But I have to believe he knows more than we do about the game and can turn it around. There are obviously some who walk amongst us whose knowledge transcends that of most mortals, but for the rest of us (who don't see things quicker than most people) I think he deserves a fair crack. Unless he is dragging us down to the bottom half next season I am happy to see if he can turn it around.

The lack of consistency, and the overnight jump from almost over night 'we can't lose' to 'we can't win', bugs me no end. Out of 38 games I reckon we should win around 20 and be hitting 3rd, and dare I say even 2nd (yeah yeah, we should be aiming for 1st but that really isn't happening anytime soon - not due to a financial gulf of course, but other mitigating factors). So, yes, Jimmy has some improving to do over the next year, but I think he can, and will support him until it looks like he might drag us into a mire, and hope for him to be replaced before that spirals too far - but not before giving him a fair chance.

I wholly admit I might be a little too generous with the time I would give someone to get it right, but believe that chances should be given rather than staying on the constant merry-go-round of new managers.

To go with another overused example - imagine if the greatest manager to ever walk the earth wasn't give from 1986-1992 to get things right. The following 2 decades of a certain teams successes would have looked very different. I still think he has something to offer and look forward to him hopefully fulfilling it this season.

We have the budget for 3rd, but have no god given right to be there. We should also be looking at decent cup runs every year, with a win in one of the cups (in my opinion) every 3 or 4 years. In the 114 years (?) outwith the Ferguson years, we have won the league once, the scottish cup 3 times and the league cup 5 times (Vintage might be able to clarify if I am about right with this). That is a grand total of 9 domestic honours over 114 years - an average of an honour every 12 years. Going by that we are just about due one. We should be doing better but have clearly been a very lazy team for 114 years.

A good post. Although I reckon a certain someone might disagree with certain aspects of it, so be prepared to be chastised!

I too want Jimmy to get next season, but my goodness there is little margin of error for him to work with and hopefully he has learned from mistakes this season.
My biggest fear is that he keeps persisting with his system without tweaking it.

A cup win on Saturday will more than make up for our patchy league performances and buy him the time he needs to fully put his system into practice.

[RED_JOHN]

A good post. Although I reckon a certain someone might disagree with certain aspects of it, so be prepared to be chastised!

I too want Jimmy to get next season, but my goodness there is little margin of error for him to work with and hopefully he has learned from mistakes this season.
My biggest fear is that he keeps persisting with his system without tweaking it.

A cup win on Saturday will more than make up for our patchy league performances and buy him the time he needs to fully put his system into practice.

I don?t mind a different opinion but it must go both ways as it would be ridiculously boring if we all thought the same.

Your biggest fear is him persisting with his system?..he will continue to do that. Most often than not an under pressure manager for some weird reason refuses to change their system/players etc as they think it somehow shows a sign of weakness. I would argue the weakness is already there with their system etc and they must address that problem to survive.

It?s the basics of life?if something isn?t working, change it for the better as you will be left floundering.

Let?s hope for The Turnips sake he gets the cup win. I am extremely confident he won?t but I am gutted we are the way we are. A cup final should be something to look forward too?..not something we dread.

[Red Zone]

We recruited Jimmy as a manager with a reputation of gradually improving his squad and therefore first team results season by season. It has been a weird season but I would argue he has improved our squad and results in the first season taken as a whole. Given the squad we had we greatly overperformed in the first third of the league (10 wins, 2 draws, 1 defeat), we badly underperformed in the middle third (0 wins, 3 draws, 9 defeats) and probably performed roughly where we should have given our squad in the final third considering the disproportionate games against the top six (5 wins, 3 draws, 5 defeats). In the cups we have had 10 wins and 1 defeat so far, which is probably marginally better than expected given the Hearts win and zero slip-ups against the 9 lower league teams albeit the celtic semi was a disaster even though scoring 6 goals from 12 shots is a bit unusual.

So for me season one has delivered what it said on the tin (and that includes the sad to say inevitable defeat on Saturday), even though it feels worse given the strong start we had to the season, the challenge to Jimmy is to deliver the second season of improvement. That starts with improving the squad over the Summer transfer window and then continues by delivering improved results in the league next season and having a real go at trying to get through the Conference qualifiers, if that's where we end up. The board has quite rightly put their money where their mouth is in supporting Jimmy so we need to give this a chance to play out in season two before rushing to judgement.

[GASC1980]

31 year old lifted and charged for chair throwing. Poor guy is going to really be made an example of here by the authorities I think.

[Mason89]

31 year old lifted and charged for chair throwing. Poor guy is going to really be made an example of here by the authorities I think.

Hes going to get absolutely rinsed from every direction