OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

Swales Yes your spot on about the in fighting also the threat of Ukip Afraid we are in for a one party state for many years to come Sad to say I may have voted for the last time

What...you mean you're not going to vote in the referendum to see whether we should have another referendum to establish what we like and don't like from the last referendum

[macstheman]

Sounds like democracy in action!!!

[mistaram]

ramAnag. Here's just one of the reasons I probably won't vote again Next month we will get the ruling of the Supreme Court this I'll be chaired by Lord Sumption well known for his outspoken views and hatred of the European Countries of Human Rights He has been described as he cleverest man in Britain and as. once paid £5 million by Roman Abramoivic to defend him in. tax avoidance court case He will be ably assisted by Lords Mance Clark Wilson Hughes and Carnwath all members of the all male Garrick Club And you wonder why people don't vote we live in one of the most undemocratic country in the western world and people are at last waking up to it

[ramAnag]

ramAnag. Here's just one of the reasons I probably won't vote again Next month we will get the ruling of the Supreme Court this I'll be chaired by Lord Sumption well known for his outspoken views and hatred of the European Countries of Human Rights He has been described as he cleverest man in Britain and as. once paid £5 million by Roman Abramoivic to defend him in. tax avoidance court case He will be ably assisted by Lords Mance Clark Wilson Hughes and Carnwath all members of the all male Garrick Club And you wonder why people don't vote we live in one of the most undemocratic country in the western world and people are at last waking up to it

Sympathise with your point completely mista but, if you don't use your vote don't you run the risk of reducing that level of democracy even further...and isn't that what's just happened in the Referendum?
Rather than agreeing with you opting out and at the risk of sounding 'dictatorial', I would argue that voting should be compulsory. Still don't think that the vast majority, including myself, were sufficiently knowledgable to understand exactly what they were voting for but if we've got to have a referendum then surely we should be aiming for a genuine majority provided by as near to 100% of the electorate as possible. Only then can anyone claim a decision to represent the 'will of the people' and, however much we agreed or disagreed with the outcome, even Swale and I would have to shut up then.

[DCFCArmy]

get rid of voting. we all deal with our own lives... sorted.

[ramAnag]

get rid of voting. we all deal with our own lives... sorted.

Oh dear...that really makes no sense at all.

[triz]

Great idea, some rather famous names throughout history thought similarly to you. Mao, Lenin,Hitler, fine company indeed.

[roger_ramjet]

get rid of voting. we all deal with our own lives... sorted.

Fascinating - so based on threads to date you seem to be a cross between a fascist and an anarchist.

What type of job do you have that allows you to "get on with your own life", presumably neither interfacing with others nor paying tax or NI? I further presume you dont use roads or public transport, dont have children in education - indeed never went to school yourself (although that aspect is possibly plausible) dont claim child benefit, never use doctors, hospitals, dentists or opticians.

By all means eschew voting, but the idea that you might "get on with your own life" in some sort of splendid isolation is really not on is it. Unless you are a hermit perched atop a telegraph pole somewhere - assuming you erected the telephone pole yourself!

[mistaram]

ramAnag Yes you probably right voting should be made compulsory But Swales hit the nail on the head when h said nobody had evr been elected who he had vote for Most of the electorate live in either a blue or red constituency where the outcome is a formality The only people who's vote really count are in the 40 marginal seats Clegg at least tried to change things he was forced to give up his Lords reform bill for the Tory's to agree the AV vote Then what happens the Tory press get to work discrediting it saying its was to complicated hence nobody turns out to vote just what thy wanted No until something changes ( which it won't) along with millions of others I will refrain from voting

[ramAnag]

Yep, I get that mista...I'm also in the same position - probably the same constituency - as Swale, but that doesn't actually make things undemocratic does it? My comment about compulsory voting was aimed more at the two choice referendum situation. Don't want to go over old ground but if we're going to use such a system - and I don't think we should - to discover the 'will of the people' then surely we have to build an actual majority of something in excess of 50% of the electorate and the best way to do that is to have compulsory voting.

P.S. Always been a very fine line between Fascism and Anarchy don't you think Rog?

[Andy_Faber]

Yep, I get that mista...I'm also in the same position - probably the same constituency - as Swale, but that doesn't actually make things undemocratic does it? My comment about compulsory voting was aimed more at the two choice referendum situation. Don't want to go over old ground but if we're going to use such a system - and I don't think we should - to discover the 'will of the people' then surely we have to build an actual majority of something in excess of 50% of the electorate and the best way to do that is to have compulsory voting.

P.S. Always been a very fine line between Fascism and Anarchy don't you think Rog?

I can't work out whether Cameron dropped a ******* within a ******* in not making the vote binding, or whether it was a clever 'get out' option. I did more research than most leading up the vote and I don't recall the subject ever cropping up.

Incidentally, I think 'fascist/anarchist' is quite a distinctive moniker to have, very Wolfie Smith

[roger_ramjet]

P.S. Always been a very fine line between Fascism and Anarchy don't you think Rog?

In a way yes, in that the eventual collapse of the former often leads to the creation of the other, as a formerly compulsorily ordered, "following" populace suddenly doesnt know how or what to do without being told to do it. rather like the long term prisoner not knowing how to handle life on the outside. But the coexisitence of the two within one body is hard to conceive, given that one is governance by dictatorial means and the other is no government.

[mistaram]

Roger you may have something there " no government " Belgium did for two years not long ago with civil servants running the country Spain are doing it at moment because they can't form a government. Could catch on here hopefully

[roger_ramjet]

Roger you may have something there " no government " Belgium did for two years not long ago with civil servants running the country Spain are doing it at moment because they can't form a government. Could catch on here hopefully

So you would rather be governed by Sir Humphrey rather than Jim Hacker??

There is however a germ of an idea here, in that civil servants MAY be less inclined to burying their snouts in the trough than the transient elected representatives that oversee them. Problem is, how do you monitor the civil servants if they effectively appoint each other with no independent supervision.

Mind you, manGara and Swale would love it as they clearly want to be run by Belgian-based civil servants anyway! As for me I will settle for their beer and chocolates but not their stewardship.

[roger_ramjet]

Incidentally, I think 'fascist/anarchist' is quite a distinctive moniker to have, very Wolfie Smith

Somehow I cant see DCFCA as a member of the Tooting Popular Front