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Originally posted by Trickytreesreds
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Jesus Swale, if someone hit you with an argument in cast iron, you'd deny it.
1. Sovereignty is important. The country itself decides what it wants, not some arsewipe of a bureaucrat in Brussels.
2. The tea bag example was in the same vein as angrys banana example. Paper trails and rule writers have made it, that if you wrote all the regs down on A4 paper, it would stretch for 130 miles end to end. They employ 1000's of paper shufflers and move this circus between two cities just to pacify the French costing millions a year.
3. The EU is negotiating with these elites for gain. Things TTIP, will effect the NHS, badly. That bothers me. It should you as well.
4. The Euro has caused mass unemployment. It brought up the standard of living for economies not ready for it and unable to get into the black. Hence Greece for one. Buying goods they could ill afford and the debt crash destroying the economy and jobs.
They are now caught in a cycle of austerity, and their bollox gripped by Germany, firmly.
5. Given a boost to UK GDP at what price? Cheap labour to exploit to make individuals richer. Our young will go the way of the crappy countries in the EU soon. Unskilled/lost/and unemployed. They struggle to get a job and gain experience, because an east European is prepared to work for less and is experienced. If you believe that's good long term for this country, then god help you.
I have interviewed loads of youngsters in tears, trying to get a job.
The same problem of free movement is hitting these kids. Schools over stretched and so education suffers.
6. Out sourcing? The EU gives grants to these ****ty countries to get our factorys over there. Why? Because they want their unified Continent under one flag. Its part of the plan.
7. I read and gather my info from every where. You obviously don't and probably believe Camerons hand book of the glorious EU.
8. You ignored crime. It has and is still rising. Are you aware that 9% of the prison population is Polish alone? Half of foreign nation prisoners, are east european. Romania enjoying a 3,882 drop in prisoner figures since it joined the EU. Latvia’s prison numbers have fallen by 3,092 while Poland’s have decreased by 2,997.
You may think it's OK but I don't, especially as people have died in this country at the hands of known criminals who have slipped in because they can.
Try telling the families of them how wonder it is. Not that you'll take that on board anyway Swale. I take comfort in the fact that your opinion on here is the minority. The vote tells me, That would be about right.
No point trying harder. None so blind as those that won't see.
1. Sovereignty is important. The country itself decides what it wants, not some arsewipe of a bureaucrat in Brussels.
2. The tea bag example was in the same vein as angrys banana example. Paper trails and rule writers have made it, that if you wrote all the regs down on A4 paper, it would stretch for 130 miles end to end. They employ 1000's of paper shufflers and move this circus between two cities just to pacify the French costing millions a year.
3. The EU is negotiating with these elites for gain. Things TTIP, will effect the NHS, badly. That bothers me. It should you as well.
4. The Euro has caused mass unemployment. It brought up the standard of living for economies not ready for it and unable to get into the black. Hence Greece for one. Buying goods they could ill afford and the debt crash destroying the economy and jobs.
They are now caught in a cycle of austerity, and their bollox gripped by Germany, firmly.
5. Given a boost to UK GDP at what price? Cheap labour to exploit to make individuals richer. Our young will go the way of the crappy countries in the EU soon. Unskilled/lost/and unemployed. They struggle to get a job and gain experience, because an east European is prepared to work for less and is experienced. If you believe that's good long term for this country, then god help you.
I have interviewed loads of youngsters in tears, trying to get a job.
The same problem of free movement is hitting these kids. Schools over stretched and so education suffers.
6. Out sourcing? The EU gives grants to these ****ty countries to get our factorys over there. Why? Because they want their unified Continent under one flag. Its part of the plan.
7. I read and gather my info from every where. You obviously don't and probably believe Camerons hand book of the glorious EU.
8. You ignored crime. It has and is still rising. Are you aware that 9% of the prison population is Polish alone? Half of foreign nation prisoners, are east european. Romania enjoying a 3,882 drop in prisoner figures since it joined the EU. Latvia’s prison numbers have fallen by 3,092 while Poland’s have decreased by 2,997.
You may think it's OK but I don't, especially as people have died in this country at the hands of known criminals who have slipped in because they can.
Try telling the families of them how wonder it is. Not that you'll take that on board anyway Swale. I take comfort in the fact that your opinion on here is the minority. The vote tells me, That would be about right.
No point trying harder. None so blind as those that won't see.
I'm not blind just not won over by you cherry picking information that supports your view and presenting it without context.
In a later post you've quoted a guy who worked for Blair saying it was the democratically elected Sovereign UK government that allowed mass immigration, which if true - I know Blair cocked thing sup by not adopting the 7 year rule before free movement for newly joined states citizens was allowed - means that your blaming the EU for a UK government policy, which is something I've tried to point out to you. Much of what you blame the EU for can be laid squarely at the door of UK governments!
The EU has paid millions in grants to the UK to build infrastructure and factories over here.. part of the Grand Pan or an attempt to stimulate the economies in deprived areas? Depend how much of a conspiracy theorist you are I guess!
I didn't ignore crime - I wasn't aware of the fact that eastern europe had emptied its jails and the that all those criminals had come over here resulting in a huge crime wave!! Probably because it hasnt happend!
Your desperation shows when you say "crappy countries", be proud of your own country but assuming we are superior is arrogant and obviously wrong because their citizens are better skilled , harder working and more reliable than a proportion of the UK's, but hey its good to have a scapegoat to blame when one is feeling put upon? Its a familiar approach, successful for a while in 30's germany I believe?
A crime is a crime, who commits it is irrelevant and if a Latvian committed a crime against me, I'd no more blame latvians, than I would if the person was from Nottingham! But maybe I am a little more sophisticated in that respect? Obviously personalising it is a sign that despite your comitment to the faith, you arent entirely convinced that the massive gamble that is Brexit will work out for you.
I can confidently forecast that most who voted Brexit wont see one advantage to them, though they may see some disadvantages but hey I'm sure you and the rest will think it worth it!
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