OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Trickytreesreds]

Wish we'd found a gag for that 'previously silent majority' tbh.

And that quote Swale, is right out of the EU operating manual.

Do as we say, not as you want to do. Bugger democracy, we don't want you to have any.

The demands and bullying have already started.

Germany/Portugal/ Czechs insisting on free movement ( Denmark/Austria/bulgaria show support)
Greece wants guarantees on its tourism
Spain wants joint ownership of Gibraltar
East Europeans still want us pouring cash into their troughs
Austria wants us banned from awarding power subsidies
Italy is demanding all the banks move there
Luxembourg wants all the financial jobs there

Of course all this was being done under cover before, but now its out in the open.
Folks actually want to be involved with these manipulative *******s?

[ramAnag]

Sherry again?

Sherry? Mescalin and/or Absinthe at least I'd suspect. Sort of, stream of consciousness meets Middle Earth and Narnia. Entertaining RR, but I've no idea what you're on about.

More seriously, never thought when I joined this forum that I'd be debating/learning about the ways of business. No idea what Angry actually does but his views on the world economy are always interesting and apparently informed. Likewise with AF, suspect he may work for the other RR and although we don't always agree, a different (business) perspective is proving interesting...who are these 'circling Sharks' though AF and how worried should we be?

Pity Manx and Cornwall rarely contribute these days, their views on the current situation would doubtless offer more insight too.

[Andy_Faber]

Sherry? Mescalin and/or Absinthe at least I'd suspect. Sort of, stream of consciousness meets Middle Earth and Narnia. Entertaining RR, but I've no idea what you're on about.

More seriously, never thought when I joined this forum that I'd be debating/learning about the ways of business. No idea what Angry actually does but his views on the world economy are always interesting and apparently informed. Likewise with AF, suspect he may work for the other RR and although we don't always agree, a different (business) perspective is proving interesting...who are these 'circling Sharks' though AF and how worried should we be?

Pity Manx and Cornwall rarely contribute these days, their views on the current situation would doubtless offer more insight too.

The circling Sharks? (Remember I voted remain, but....) The joke of the EU is that, when push comes to shove, every country within it is in it for their own well and good, not the good of the entity as a whole, and every country will become a shark circling round the UK's economic assets. SO....The French in particular are putting massive efforts into enticing financial services resource out of London into Paris (I think that will ultimately fail because of two very 'French' things, their reluctance to embrace the English language as openly as, lets say, everyone else, and their relatively high levels of bureaucracy, but we'll see). Every country in the Eastern EU will want that Nissan business out of Sunderland. I'm aware of two big construction industry providers that are being courted by EU states who's only benefit over UK is the currently favourable USD and CDND exchange rates. There is going to be a bloodbath if we aren't bloody smart, we may just end up with Bakewell Pudding and F1, and those two examples are good ones - the former is protected by law which of course you can't do for everything, and the latter is simply because by a country mile we are better at it than anyone or anywhere else. Its the latter we have to work on, being better at difficult stuff. Take a look at the website of The MTC, that's where the fightback should be centred and for all I know it is. Right, just off to pull out my gramophone record of Land Of Hope And Glory.....

[AngryRam]

Sherry? Mescalin and/or Absinthe at least I'd suspect. Sort of, stream of consciousness meets Middle Earth and Narnia. Entertaining RR, but I've no idea what you're on about.

More seriously, never thought when I joined this forum that I'd be debating/learning about the ways of business. No idea what Angry actually does but his views on the world economy are always interesting and apparently informed. Likewise with AF, suspect he may work for the other RR and although we don't always agree, a different (business) perspective is proving interesting...who are these 'circling Sharks' though AF and how worried should we be?

Pity Manx and Cornwall rarely contribute these days, their views on the current situation would doubtless offer more insight too.

I work in Brussels..

[ramAnag]

So there we have it...from a moderate, intelligent and somewhat reluctant 'Remainer' who apparently works in and understands the world of trade and industry...'the sharks are circling...there is going to be a bloodbath if we aren't bloody smart'.
All totally avoidable and self inflicted. Thank you so much to Farage and - in his own words - the 'little people' who he - and others - misled into voting for this nonsense. You must all be really proud.

[Trickytreesreds]

So there we have it...from a moderate, intelligent and somewhat reluctant 'Remainer' who apparently works in and understands the world of trade and industry...'the sharks are circling...there is going to be a bloodbath if we aren't bloody smart'.
All totally avoidable and self inflicted. Thank you so much to Farage and - in his own words - the 'little people' who he - and others - misled into voting for this nonsense. You must all be really proud.

No one said it was going to be easy Ramanag.

But again, all I see is the economics in the here and now.
The EU is trying to become one state. That means everything will be decided by Brussels.
The future being one economy/currency/government etc.
Don't please start telling me it won't happen etc. You only have to look at the past 40 years to see what they've done.
Also don't tell me, we are the only ones not happy.
You and others are looking at this, that the EU is the only way.
Well look at the turmoil going on now. You nor I ,can't even say the EU will still be around in 10 years. The signs of unrest are there.

We will do what we always have done. We fight. The whole world has and is opening up. The EU has just lost a major in putter of cash.
To fawn over the EU as a necessity is stupid beyond belief.
We'll survive, the EURO will be the thorn in the EU's side. I hope they take more of the eastern leech countries in. Not only suckling at the tit, but biting it as well.

[roger_ramjet]

Sherry? Mescalin and/or Absinthe at least I'd suspect. Sort of, stream of consciousness meets Middle Earth and Narnia. Entertaining RR, but I've no idea what you're on about.

More seriously, never thought when I joined this forum that I'd be debating/learning about the ways of business. No idea what Angry actually does but his views on the world economy are always interesting and apparently informed. Likewise with AF, suspect he may work for the other RR and although we don't always agree, a different (business) perspective is proving interesting...who are these 'circling Sharks' though AF and how worried should we be?

Pity Manx and Cornwall rarely contribute these days, their views on the current situation would doubtless offer more insight too.

You cannot beat a bit of the Green Fairy.

Not into the "Magic: the Gathering" trading card game I guess. kids muse be the worng age

[ramAnag]

'No one said it was going to be easy RamAnag'. Seems ever clearer to me that very few had a clue what they were voting for Tricky.

You keep telling us what the future was going to hold...'one economy, one currency, one government etc'...in the gospel according to Tricky. Well that was always a very long way off, if at all. Then you tell us we're not the only ones 'not happy'. So how does that fit with the 'one government, one currency' philosophy. You can't have it both ways Tricky.

In the meantime comments from the likes of AF, who I do actually think knows what he's talking about, are talking of 'sharks' - aka the enemies and competitors we have now made in Europe - 'circling' and the prospect of an imminent economic 'bloodbath' unless we tread very carefully.

So, all in all, since June 23rd, the value of the pound has dropped, people are reluctant to invest in Britain, there are warnings about a new banking crisis, warnings about a collapse in the value of property, an idiot has been made Foreign Secretary and sensible folk are talking about 'sharks circling' in an attempt to take away what remains of our current assets.

Like I said, you and Farage must be really pleased with yourselves, that Brexit vote has made everything so much better hasn't it and don't tell me again that a weaker pound is better for exporters...I'm fully aware of that...those exporters must be rubbing their hands together with glee...trouble is, as a nation we import far more than we export, so it's not much consolation is it?

[ramAnag]

You cannot beat a bit of the Green Fairy.

Not into the "Magic: the Gathering" trading card game I guess. kids muse be the worng age

Afraid my kids are indeed a bit old for that RR...but at least it makes sense now and I no longer think you've been watching box sets of GoT while indulging in a few magic mushrooms.

[Ram59]

'No one said it was going to be easy RamAnag'. Seems ever clearer to me that very few had a clue what they were voting for Tricky.

You keep telling us what the future was going to hold...'one economy, one currency, one government etc'...in the gospel according to Tricky. Well that was always a very long way off, if at all. Then you tell us we're not the only ones 'not happy'. So how does that fit with the 'one government, one currency' philosophy. You can't have it both ways Tricky.

In the meantime comments from the likes of AF, who I do actually think knows what he's talking about, are talking of 'sharks' - aka the enemies and competitors we have now made in Europe - 'circling' and the prospect of an imminent economic 'bloodbath' unless we tread very carefully.

So, all in all, since June 23rd, the value of the pound has dropped, people are reluctant to invest in Britain, there are warnings about a new banking crisis, warnings about a collapse in the value of property, an idiot has been made Foreign Secretary and sensible folk are talking about 'sharks circling' in an attempt to take away what remains of our current assets.

Like I said, you and Farage must be really pleased with yourselves, that Brexit vote has made everything so much better hasn't it and don't tell me again that a weaker pound is better for exporters...I'm fully aware of that...those exporters must be rubbing their hands together with glee...trouble is, as a nation we import far more than we export, so it's not much consolation is it?

Us leavers were all fooled by a couple of posters which were discredited before the referendum, yes right. Let us have a look at a few other lies, which I'm sure intimidated many to vote remain.

The current US president threatening us with what the next president will do half way through his or her term, he had no right to say such a thing.

The imf claiming that we will sink into recession, the same body has just predicted that our economy will grow at a greater rate than the eu or even Germany itself.

Cameron claiming that the leave vote could lead to war in the eu, really! By the way has Germany invaded Poland yet?

Carny, Bank of England ceo, changing his mind every 5 minutes.

Warnings of a crash in the stock market, it's gone up actually.

Juncker and cronies telling us that we would have get to get out straight away, it's in the constitution that we decide when to leave.

Finally the most outrageous lie, was from Osborne, that if we dared to vote to leave, then the following week there would been an emergency budget putting 3 or 4 pence on income tax, costing an average working couple £30 per week and more austerity. Have I missed this budget?

Since June 23rd, the pound has dropped a fair bit against the dollar, which depending on how you look at it could be both good and bad. It's dropped against the euro to levels not seen since way back in 2014! Can you not remember when pound and euro were nearly on parity? Warnings of a banking crisis, yes we keep hearing the doom merchants, please come back to me when something actually happens. The housing crash? I haven't seen house prices falling in my area, my son is looking for one so I should know. Would it be such a bad thing if the over priced housing market had a reduction and allowed more average people to be able to afford to buy instead of renting at extortionate rates?

I do agree about the foreign secretary though!

[AngryRam]

Us leavers were all fooled by a couple of posters which were discredited before the referendum, yes right. Let us have a look at a few other lies, which I'm sure intimidated many to vote remain.

The current US president threatening us with what the next president will do half way through his or her term, he had no right to say such a thing.

The imf claiming that we will sink into recession, the same body has just predicted that our economy will grow at a greater rate than the eu or even Germany itself.

Cameron claiming that the leave vote could lead to war in the eu, really! By the way has Germany invaded Poland yet?

Carny, Bank of England ceo, changing his mind every 5 minutes.

Warnings of a crash in the stock market, it's gone up actually.

Juncker and cronies telling us that we would have get to get out straight away, it's in the constitution that we decide when to leave.

Finally the most outrageous lie, was from Osborne, that if we dared to vote to leave, then the following week there would been an emergency budget putting 3 or 4 pence on income tax, costing an average working couple £30 per week and more austerity. Have I missed this budget?

Since June 23rd, the pound has dropped a fair bit against the dollar, which depending on how you look at it could be both good and bad. It's dropped against the euro to levels not seen since way back in 2014! Can you not remember when pound and euro were nearly on parity? Warnings of a banking crisis, yes we keep hearing the doom merchants, please come back to me when something actually happens. The housing crash? I haven't seen house prices falling in my area, my son is looking for one so I should know. Would it be such a bad thing if the over priced housing market had a reduction and allowed more average people to be able to afford to buy instead of renting at extortionate rates?

I do agree about the foreign secretary though!

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[ramAnag]

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Wasn't aware that my post contained anything about your first eight paragraphs and I'm no fan of Juncker, Cameron or Osborn either and never have been so, moving on to the last bit.

I acknowledged that 'depending on how you look at it' the drop in the value of the pound could be good or bad. Unfortunately, for the vast majority of people, because we import more than we export, and because the pound now buys less, it's going to mean higher food, and fuel costs and an increase in the cost of living. Who do you think will suffer most from that?

Yes, I can remember when the pound and euro were 'nearly on parity'...and your point is?

Plenty of 'experts' are predicting a banking crisis. I hope they're wrong, because in the last one it was Farage's 'little people' again that suffered the most. Such events, like the potential collapse in house prices (don't believe I mentioned 'crash') were never going to happen immediately but they are still forecast to be on the cards. Would the latter be such a bad thing? Well I guess there will be winners and losers. Maybe your son will be able to afford something better, there again maybe if he'd just bought a property you, and certainly he, would have a different perspective.

My point I think is that we are now in a climate of uncertainty that is good for absolutely no one and more to the point, it was totally avoidable.

P.S. Glad we agree on something. Must be the first time Boris Johnson has ever achieved anything useful.
P.P.S. Sorry...quoted the wrong post...Ram59 not Angry.

[southernram22]

glad you came out and said you never liked osborne he is a complete waste of space. but tbh so are most politicians

[Andy_Faber]

glad you came out and said you never liked osborne he is a complete waste of space. but tbh so are most politicians

If there was a single moment of clarity for me regarding the referendum, it was when Osborne wheeled out his proposed emergency budget. My first and only thought was 'The Remainers are panicking'.

[ramAnag]

glad you came out and said you never liked osborne he is a complete waste of space. but tbh so are most politicians

Can't imagine you'd ever have believed I thought anything else about Osborn or the vast majority of politicians.