OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[roger_ramjet]

As regards Iraq ...I don't think ordinary Iraqis started the Middle East conflict...it was surely Saddam Hussain and the Baathists but it was ordinary Iraqis, including many refugees who were killed by an invasion of very questionable necessity.

[Ram59]

I think 9/11 had closer links to Saudi Arabia, but you wouldn't get the yanks to do anything there.

[Andy_Faber]

Yes it could. It could also be argued that 'those ordinary Germans' were simply too scared to speak out against one of the most ruthless regimes in modern history. I've heard it rumoured that the SS and the Gestapo could be a more than a little tetchy at times.

Which funnily enough is why I'm quite proud of the the 'thick' 'ignorant', 'bigotted' folk who voted for Brexit (and for that matter Trump). While the Nazis broke bones and marginalised minorities to enforce their ideology (a tactic Isis are also attempting), and got a deserving kicking for it, in more recent times 'the establishment' scrambled brains with a weapon called 'PC' and marginalised the fat and happy majority to enforce another ideology. Then UK, and then The USA, decided they WOULD speak out, emboldened no doubt by being on the right side of the sticks and stones equation.

Yes I did vote remain, with a heavy heart, but I can see the view from the other side very clearly.

[ramAnag]

Which funnily enough is why I'm quite proud of the the 'thick' 'ignorant', 'bigotted' folk who voted for Brexit (and for that matter Trump). While the Nazis broke bones and marginalised minorities to enforce their ideology (a tactic Isis are also attempting), and got a deserving kicking for it, in more recent times 'the establishment' scrambled brains with a weapon called 'PC' and marginalised the fat and happy majority to enforce another ideology. Then UK, and then The USA, decided they WOULD speak out, emboldened no doubt by being on the right side of the sticks and stones equation.

Yes I did vote remain, with a heavy heart, but I can see the view from the other side very clearly.

So you voted 'remain' albeit with a 'heavy heart' because, presumably, like many of us you didn't wholly embrace everything about the EU, but eight months on you're actually 'proud' of those that voted for Brexit (and Trump!!) even though a significant proportion of them seem to have been motivated to do so by the single issue of immigration. That's bizarre, especially by your standards AF and however uncomfortable you may be with the EU and political correctness they're a zillion miles away from Germany in the thirties. Je ne comprends pas.

[AdiSalisbury]

Je ne comprends pas.

This phrase got me through my French GCSE (as well as a French kid telling us the answers, good old Raph!). Post Brexit, hopefully our children can study something more useful

[roger_ramjet]

Like Cantonese, Mandarin or Hindi, Adi - the future laguages of trade.

Ironic that an anti immigrant vote for Brexit might spark the introduction of the teaching of Hindi / Indic languages in our schools 😊😊

[Andy_Faber]

So you voted 'remain' albeit with a 'heavy heart' because, presumably, like many of us you didn't wholly embrace everything about the EU, but eight months on you're actually 'proud' of those that voted for Brexit (and Trump!!) even though a significant proportion of them seem to have been motivated to do so by the single issue of immigration. That's bizarre, especially by your standards AF and however uncomfortable you may be with the EU and political correctness they're a zillion miles away from Germany in the thirties. Je ne comprends pas.

Proud was a badly chosen word. Maybe surprised/impressed (that 'they' got off their fat arses and voted instead of just moaning).

I don't see a problem, however, with 'them' voting based on one issue, that's free will in action. When I look back on my decision, the swing from leave to remain was certainly massively on one issue (the effect on 'business').

No intention ever to compare EU to Nazi Germany in aims or methods believe me

[ramAnag]

Like Cantonese, Mandarin or Hindi, Adi - the future laguages of trade.

Ironic that an anti immigrant vote for Brexit might spark the introduction of the teaching of Hindi / Indic languages in our schools ����

Or Spanish...always frowned upon compared with French in my school but the second most widely spoken language in the world I believe.

[ramAnag]

Thank you Stoke...not something I was saying last June...but thank you for putting the odious charlatan Nuttall back in his place.

[woolwhacker]

Thank you Stoke...not something I was saying last June...but thank you for putting the odious charlatan Nuttall back in his place.

And thank you Stoke for doing enough to keep the odious charlatan Corbyn in charge of Labour and guarantee their irrelevance for the next decade or more.

[ramAnag]

And thank you Stoke for doing enough to keep the odious charlatan Corbyn in charge of Labour and guarantee their irrelevance for the next decade or more.

Lol...think Copeland has probably seen the end of him. Lots of very worried Labour MPs...won't be long now before we see a decent opposition of one form or another, and it won't include Corbyn and McDonnell.

[roger_ramjet]

Bump

This was about to fall off the front page and would maybe have gone forever - erm lets not allow that to happen!

[Ram59]

I suspect it will be resurrected many times over the coming weeks, months and years, by both sides proving they were 'right' all along.

But, at the moment, there are more important discussions about what's going wrong at Pride Park.

[ramAnag]

So there'll be no 'give aways' in the forthcoming budget, according to Philip Hammond, because we'll be saving up to pay the Brexit bill.
Such a good idea wasn't it? Still at least, unlike Farage and Nuttall, the country apparently won't be 'slinking off like a wounded animal' either. All so bloody avoidable.

[AdiSalisbury]

Don't have to pay a penny for Brexit:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2017/03/04/britain-doesnt-have-to-pay-the-brexit-bill-say-peers-in-house-of-lords/#6267687d3597

Brexit or no Brexit, with the tories in power cuts are always inevitable and there'll always be an excuse for them. Shame there's no strength in opposition.