OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

‘This forum is basically a bunch of clueless blokes posting opinions’...bit like the Referendum itself then...and not unlike the Brexit Secretary who just about appears to have grasped that we’re an island trading nation and that the Dover-Calais route is quite crucial.

Hope your final sentence is right, Swale, whether you get closer to winning the argument by abusing people is for others to decide.

[Trickytreesreds]

Ah but your eminently reasonable RA, whereas I'm just astounded by the ignorance thats shown and I have no patience for it - don't really give a flying **** if that alienates people on here or elsewhere and lets face it this Forum is basically a bunch of clueless blokes posting opinions. - I simply loved the idiot the reckoned that utter **** Tricky had bested me - not because his posts had any facts, but because he was able to spew endless amounts of falsehoods, lies and bigotted rubbish - classic!

MA's ignorance overlooks the simple fact that a no deal brexit would be an economic disaster for this country and its not a simple case of lowering prices to reduce the effect of tariffs - cars and wine are a trifle compared to the costs to the Uk's ability to trade in financial services, the decimation of whats left of manufacuring industry, the crippling effect that cheap unregulated food imports on uk farmers, I could go on but hey as we all know if your firmly in the Brexit camp then inconvenient truths are ignored, until the day of reckoning comes - but we have already lost 17% in economic activity since the vote - these things are slow and insidious, by the time people notice it will be too late.

Anyway I'm certain that one of two things will happen - we will finish up in the customs union and single market for a never ending transition period or there will be a second referendum, which given that a damn sight more than 37% will vote will be heavily in favour of remaining in the EU.

You won't be around to see it.
You'll have had a coronary by then.


Your conceit for others having an opinion, is quite frankly dog ****. In fact you sound like a politician
Perhaps that's why you'd get nil points in a referendum, for being such a complete ****er.

Yes it's all doom and gloom. I hope we don't have our economy/infrastructure/industry/places to live/ ground into rubble like Germany in 1945.
They'll be no coming back from that.

[Andy_Faber]

‘ whether you get closer to winning the argument by abusing people is for others to decide.

I decided. It won't.

RA, (and others if interested) not sure whether this adds to this debate or not, but Mrs F and I accidentally happened upon a documentary this lunchtime called 'Shoulder to Shoulder' in which Brian O'Driscoll investigates the conundrum of how the Island of Ireland can unite around a common cause, that of its Rugby Union team. It engaged us so much that we were late for our own family meal, I suggest you search it out (on BT sport I'm afraid).

[MadAmster]

Ah but your eminently reasonable RA, whereas I'm just astounded by the ignorance thats shown and I have no patience for it - don't really give a flying **** if that alienates people on here or elsewhere and lets face it this Forum is basically a bunch of clueless blokes posting opinions. - I simply loved the idiot the reckoned that utter **** Tricky had bested me - not because his posts had any facts, but because he was able to spew endless amounts of falsehoods, lies and bigotted rubbish - classic!

MA's ignorance overlooks the simple fact that a no deal brexit would be an economic disaster for this country and its not a simple case of lowering prices to reduce the effect of tariffs - cars and wine are a trifle compared to the costs to the Uk's ability to trade in financial services, the decimation of whats left of manufacuring industry, the crippling effect that cheap unregulated food imports on uk farmers, I could go on but hey as we all know if your firmly in the Brexit camp then inconvenient truths are ignored, until the day of reckoning comes - but we have already lost 17% in economic activity since the vote - these things are slow and insidious, by the time people notice it will be too late.

Anyway I'm certain that one of two things will happen - we will finish up in the customs union and single market for a never ending transition period or there will be a second referendum, which given that a damn sight more than 37% will vote will be heavily in favour of remaining in the EU.

1. Looks like you might be following Tricky's lead. You claim a 17% decrease in economic activity since the referendum. I am not say ing the figure is false but I haven't seen it anywhere else. Can you give a source please?

2. I believe I have pretty consistent in a couple of things in this debate. Namely a) I am still not convinced that a full on Brexit will even happen and that is looking more and more likely b) I hate the EU with a vengeance but changing it from within is probably the best way forward

3. I quote something that has actually happened and offer that up as a likelihood in the UK too following Brexit (if it ever happens) and give a couple of areas where it has happened....... as examples. You blinker your view and take that as the entire width and breadth....... despite my hoping that the UK would leave and prompt others to follow suit. Unfortunately, those others seem to have looked at the "punishment" diatribe from the top of the EU and have backed off.

4. The EU does have some uses. It could help put a stop to the never ending cycle of all economic change being bent towards the so called 1% and the multinationals. A single country can't change banks, the stock market, the money markets and the ever increasing tax breaks the 1% and huge corporations get to the detriment of the worse off. I am not against people making money. Nor am I against investors in companies making money. What I am against is them not paying their fair share of the tax they should be paying because their mates in parliament have brought in new tax breaks for them.

IMO, forcing Starbucks, for instance, to pay the correct amount of tax in each and every individual country based on thie rearnings in THAT country would not lead to them selling a single cup of fancy named coffee more or less. Effect on jobs - NIL. Effect on the country concerned, ordinary people could get a tax break. Those are the people who will go out and spend that money which means income for the people they buy from and more income/corporation/Value Added Tax for the government.

The rich wouldn't suffer and the less well off would have a better life.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I decided. It won't.

RA, (and others if interested) not sure whether this adds to this debate or not, but Mrs F and I accidentally happened upon a documentary this lunchtime called 'Shoulder to Shoulder' in which Brian O'Driscoll investigates the conundrum of how the Island of Ireland can unite around a common cause, that of its Rugby Union team. It engaged us so much that we were late for our own family meal, I suggest you search it out (on BT sport I'm afraid).

I inadvertently clicked on Swale profile when reading posts and noticed that it stated:

"swaledale has not made any friends yet"

Never a truer word spoken!

As regards the O'Driscoll film, I too saw that Andy - twas illuminating

[Trickytreesreds]

Macron lets the veil slip a little more.

No one sees this as reminiscent rise of dictatorial powers? None so blind as those who won't see.

Denials from the 70's to date.
No superstate
No single currency
No dismantling of borders
No European army
No removal of individual powers,

Brilliant.


“I’m talking about a peaceful empire which is a constitutional state."

After being quizzed by his interview on his comments, he added: “Do not get me wrong, I'm talking about a peaceful empire that's a constitutional state.

"I use the term to raise awareness that the world of tomorrow will be about power. Power will make a difference: technological power, economic, financial, monetary, cultural power will be crucial.

"Europe should no longer shy away from using its power and being an empire of peace."

He demanded EU countries tell Mr Trump that Europe is a “sovereign continent” and should decide who it trades with itself.

Did Goebbels write this for him, lol

[Manofpride]

Looks like a deal has been done, we should know more tomorrow! Is it exciting times ahead???

[Andy_Faber]

Looks like a deal has been done, we should know more tomorrow! Is it exciting times ahead???

Better ask Ramanag

[MadAmster]

I can, exclusively, reveal the terms of the deal............. but I'm not going to.

I am not going to tell the people or there will be riots.

I am not going to tell MPs or they will vote against it.

I might leak the odd favourable bit here and there but no way in hell am I going to give you the full deal................

[ramAnag]

Better ask Ramanag

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/latesttip/

Think he might know more. ‘Exciting’? Not exactly.

P.S. You’ll have to click on the Brexit bit.

[i961pie]

Ah but your eminently reasonable RA, whereas I'm just astounded by the ignorance thats shown and I have no patience for it - don't really give a flying **** if that alienates people on here or elsewhere and lets face it this Forum is basically a bunch of clueless blokes posting opinions. - I simply loved the idiot the reckoned that utter **** Tricky had bested me - not because his posts had any facts, but because he was able to spew endless amounts of falsehoods, lies and bigotted rubbish - classic!

MA's ignorance overlooks the simple fact that a no deal brexit would be an economic disaster for this country and its not a simple case of lowering prices to reduce the effect of tariffs - cars and wine are a trifle compared to the costs to the Uk's ability to trade in financial services, the decimation of whats left of manufacuring industry, the crippling effect that cheap unregulated food imports on uk farmers, I could go on but hey as we all know if your firmly in the Brexit camp then inconvenient truths are ignored, until the day of reckoning comes - but we have already lost 17% in economic activity since the vote - these things are slow and insidious, by the time people notice it will be too late.

Anyway I'm certain that one of two things will happen - we will finish up in the customs union and single market for a never ending transition period or there will be a second referendum, which given that a damn sight more than 37% will vote will be heavily in favour of remaining in the EU.

If that comes true the next general election will be very interesting.
Will the 17 million leave voters register a protest vote, could they (like much of Europe are doing) lurch to the far right?
I can't see them all accepting that like the remain voters have ( the last bit is a joke by the way).

[Geoff Parkstone]

Swale said... "happen - we will finish up in the customs union and single market for a never ending transition period or there will be a second referendum, which given that a damn sight more than 37% will vote will be heavily in favour of remaining in the EU."

[Geoff Parkstone]

Swale said... "happen - we will finish up in the customs union and single market for a never ending transition period or there will be a second referendum, which given that a damn sight more than 37% will vote will be heavily in favour of remaining in the EU."

But a damned sight more than 37% voted last time and the vote favoured leave??? Wasn't it about a 60 something percent turnout?

[ramAnag]

If that comes true the next general election will be very interesting.
Will the 17 million leave voters register a protest vote, could they (like much of Europe are doing) lurch to the far right?
I can't see them all accepting that like the remain voters have ( the last bit is a joke by the way).

What...you mean they might murder another pro-Remain MP and start abusing and attacking those they identify as immigrants like two years ago, pie? (None of that’s a joke by the way.)

[MadAmster]

It seems that Mayhem has agreed a deal with the EU.



Strange thing about this is......... The Cabinet knows the content. The Prime Minister of Gibraltar knows. The Taoiseach of the Irish Republic knows as do all the EU Heads of State.



The First Ministers of Scotland and Wales do not know and neither do the Westminster MPs. More importantly the UK electorate don't know.



I wonder what watered down version they and the Great British public will get told and when...............