OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

It seems Imelda has taken a leaf out of the Andy Faber household management handbook and applied it to the country as a whole - success is making everyone in your orbit hate you equally. I fell sorry for her, it’s not as if she’ll cut it on strictly come dancing after her career in politics

Unlike Anne Widdecombe, Andy, she’s guaranteed at least £123,000 pa - as a former PM - for the rest of her natural. Don’t feel too sorry for her. Poor Home Secretary, terrible PM - admittedly in an impossible situation - and a gold plated pension...she won’t need ‘Strictly’.

[Andy_Faber]

Unlike Anne Widdecombe, Andy, she’s guaranteed at least £123,000 pa - as a former PM - for the rest of her natural. Don’t feel too sorry for her. Poor Home Secretary, terrible PM - admittedly in an impossible situation - and a gold plated pension...she won’t need ‘Strictly’.

I decided to take no notice of any partisan outlets regarding the ‘deal’ (which meant no Laura kuenssberg tonight thank God) and it looks to me like the general feeling is that this is an OK deal.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Unlike Anne Widdecombe, Andy, she’s guaranteed at least £123,000 pa - as a former PM - for the rest of her natural. Don’t feel too sorry for her. Poor Home Secretary, terrible PM - admittedly in an impossible situation - and a gold plated pension...she won’t need ‘Strictly’.

To cross link to another thread, she would need 40 years of that pension before she gets close to a Scudamore leaving present level. Oh yes and his pension, which doubtless is more than a mere 123k is on top of that.

No matter how well you think she did in her roles, don't you think her job is a tad more socially important than flogging football TV rights?

[Andy_Faber]

To digress even more, I don’t think 123k is excessive but I do think all public sector exec jobs should earn less, uni heads being a good start.

[i961pie]

What...you mean they might murder another pro-Remain MP and start abusing and attacking those they identify as immigrants like two years ago, pie? (None of that’s a joke by the way.)

You said that I didn't.
The Labour Party members don't bother attacking immigrants they are happy to attack and abuse British Jews,who also don't find it amusing.

[MadAmster]

So far I've read the first 100 of 585 pages and there is absolutely no substance in those first 100 pages. Just defining who is included in it, how they shall be referred to in the rest of the document etc etc etc.



Busy day today so I might not get to read much of it today. Probably finish reading it tomorrow.



For those interested enough...... here it is in its full glory https://ec.europa.eu/commission/site...e9v_DP_fIUXR_Q

[ramAnag]

To cross link to another thread, she would need 40 years of that pension before she gets close to a Scudamore leaving present level. Oh yes and his pension, which doubtless is more than a mere 123k is on top of that.

No matter how well you think she did in her roles, don't you think her job is a tad more socially important than flogging football TV rights?

I absolutely do GP...100% agree...but that doesn’t mean I agree with individuals getting that sort of annual income for the rest of their lives once they’ve retired/resigned/been defeated. I mean...Cameron...the man who has almost single handedly screwed the country now gets at least £123k pa from the public purse forever! Can that be right?

I wasn’t talking about salaries, Andy...I’m talking about financial entitlements for former PM’s.

1961 pie...I’m not a Labour Party member and I don’t rate Corbyn. I’ll admit I’d be happy to see Keir Starmer in Downing Street and I suspect the anti semitism argument to be a bit of an anti Labour/JC smokescreen but tbh I don’t know enough about it.
What I do know is that those who oppose Brexit have taken a lot of flack...’undemocratic’, ‘opposing the Will of the people’, ‘Remoaners’ etc...while those who hurl such accusations are all too quick to forget the murder of Jo Cox by a right wing extremist and the atrocious behaviour by some Brexiteers in the days immediately following the Referendum result.

As ever and with all three of these replies...two wrongs don’t make a right.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I really do not get the relevance of the lone actions of one person in killing an MP to the debate. The actions of one mentally questionable individual who happened to support one side in a 2 horse race should not tarnish the actions of many people who have made a considered decision to favour Brexit. If this be the case should all marines or alldicorcees be villified for the actions of one person in Thousand Oaks?

To cite the killing of jo Cox as one of the reasons that the Brexit vote was wrong and should be revisited is opportunistic at best and frankly an irrelevance

[ramAnag]

I really do not get the relevance of the lone actions of one person in killing an MP to the debate. The actions of one mentally questionable individual who happened to support one side in a 2 horse race should not tarnish the actions of many people who have made a considered decision to favour Brexit. If this be the case should all marines or alldicorcees be villified for the actions of one person in Thousand Oaks?

To cite the killing of jo Cox as one of the reasons that the Brexit vote was wrong and should be revisited is opportunistic at best and frankly an irrelevance

Sorry GP...wasn’t aware that I’d ever cited ‘the killing of Jo Cox as one of the reasons that the Brexit vote was wrong’ and neither do I know of anyone else who has.
My point is...I get sick and tired of hearing how unhelpful the ‘Remain’ mentality is (because it is tiresome and repetitive) from people - not you - who chose to conveniently ignore certain behaviour from the admittedly more extreme Brexiteers.
I also thought the input from the likes of John Redwood and others on the Tory right this morning was as unhelpful and unrealistic as it is possible to be.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Well you raised it in that context: in effect "remoaners being villified so why aren't those responsible for the murder equally villified". The point is the actions of one mentally challenged person are not representative of millions of people who happen to share his political views as regards EU membership. To assert there is a connection between Brexit and the murder is a mere syllogism

[ramAnag]

Well you raised it in that context: in effect "remoaners being villified so why aren't those responsible for the murder equally villified". The point is the actions of one mentally challenged person are not representative of millions of people who happen to share his political views as regards EU membership. To assert there is a connection between Brexit and the murder is a mere syllogism

I ‘raised it’ in relation to post #3716 when i976pie was critical of the Remainers’ attitude.
I guess the individual was ‘mentally challenged’ - as he was from the extreme Right - but it is an inescapable fact that his actions and those of the halfwits who, following the announcement of the Referendum result, immediately seemed to think their prejudice was somehow legitimised were the actions of extreme Brexiteers.

[i961pie]

I ‘raised it’ in relation to post #3716 when i976pie was critical of the Remainers’ attitude.
I guess the individual was ‘mentally challenged’ - as he was from the extreme Right - but it is an inescapable fact that his actions and those of the halfwits who, following the announcement of the Referendum result, immediately seemed to think their prejudice was somehow legitimised were the actions of extreme Brexiteers.

Who is i976 pie?

[ramAnag]

Who is i976 pie?

Sorry...not really concentrating. Your fifteen year old self perhaps.

[i961pie]

Sorry...not really concentrating. Your fifteen year old self perhaps.

I wish, you can add another 10 years onto that.

[MadAmster]

Page 208
(c) by derogation from Article 127 (1), Articles 107, 108 and 109 TFEU shall not apply to measures of the United Kingdom authorities, including on Rural Development, supporting the production of and trade in agricultural products in the United Kingdom up to an annual level of support which shall not be more than the total amount of expenditure incurred in the United Kingdom under the Common Agricultural Policy in 2019, and provided that a minimum percentage of that exempted support complies with the provisions of Annex 2 to the WTO Agreement on Agriculture. Such minimum percentage shall be determined on the basis of the last available percentage to which the overall expenditure under the Common Agricultural Policy in the Union complied with the provisions of Annex 2 to the WTO Agreement on Agriculture;
(d) for the period between 1 January 2021 and the end of the transition period, the United Kingdom shall: shall make a contribution to the Union budget, as determined in accordance with paragraph 3;

This tells me (in c) that we will still be subject to the terms of the CAP after 2020. It also tells me (d) that there is already a 2nd transition period starting 1/1/21.

Page 209 confirms what I have gleaned from (d) on page 208 and that we will still be contributing to the CAP after 1/1/21

Pages 304 and 305 make the only mention of the Customs Union and internal market in the document. It seems that there will be no hard (tax) border between the North and the Republic. Nowhere does it mention ending or continuing the Customs Union between the rest of the UK and the EU.

Now at Page 314 and have decided to give up......... lots and lots of words that say almost nothing.