OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[mistaram]

I see they are already talking of letting 16year olds in the inevitable second referendum. Talk about making sure remains win

[Geoff Parkstone]

I wonder, should this now reach a seemingly inevitable stalemate, how much money we have pissed away on this entire exercise - as its a popular measure, how many hospitals could have been built with it. The EU now have us by the balls and will continue to up the pressure of squeeze knowing that we cannot organise a piss up in a brewery.

[ramAnag]

I see they are already talking of letting 16year olds in the inevitable second referendum. Talk about making sure remains win

Reckon if you’re considered old enough to fight for your country you’re old enough to vote for the people who send you to war, mista.
My preference for voting would be 17...that’s the age they can join up in the U.S. although curiously they can’t drink alcohol till 21 and being old enough to drive varies from 14-17 in different states I think.
Anyway it’s their future that Brexit is likely to screw up...so why not?

[AdiSalisbury]

In 5 years time we'll all look back and wonder what the fuss was all about, then the now 16 year olds can vote all they want.

[Andy_Faber]

I wonder, should this now reach a seemingly inevitable stalemate, how much money we have pissed away on this entire exercise - as its a popular measure, how many hospitals could have been built with it. The EU now have us by the balls and will continue to up the pressure of squeeze knowing that we cannot organise a piss up in a brewery.

I get the feeling that, regardless of any piss up/brewery issues, we have also been too polite in our negotiations. As you know (mainly because Ramanag keeps reminding everyone) I'm a remainer who was/is committed to making the best possible effort to get a good Leave deal once that had been decided, but I was expecting some steel to be shown, in public as well as behind closed doors. I think the UK side have completely underestimated the solidarity shown by the EU members, and once Divide And Conquer became clearly an unworkable approach, we seemed to pretty much give up

[Manofpride]

Lets wait for the fat lady to sing!

[ramAnag]

I get the feeling that, regardless of any piss up/brewery issues, we have also been too polite in our negotiations. As you know (mainly because Ramanag keeps reminding everyone) I'm a remainer who was/is committed to making the best possible effort to get a good Leave deal once that had been decided, but I was expecting some steel to be shown, in public as well as behind closed doors. I think the UK side have completely underestimated the solidarity shown by the EU members, and once Divide And Conquer became clearly an unworkable approach, we seemed to pretty much give up

You left out the bit about, ‘but given the chance again would still vote Remain’, Andy.
‘Underestimated the solidarity shown by the EU members’...well the Brexiteers certainly did that...weren’t these meant to be the ‘easiest of negotiations’ according to Farage and his cronies? Or was that just another big fat lie from the fat head who has made a personal fortune out of destroying our international credibility? Seems like it to me.
Anyway, quel surprise...the EU never wanted us to leave and abandon our commitments so they’ve stood up for their members and made it quite difficult. Really? Who’d have thought?
As Parky wondered...quite how much time and money has been wasted in this country over the last two and a half years? Time to come to our senses and stop this reckless waste...it might not be perfect but we’re better off in!

[mistaram]

RA. If that's the case then nobody over to 70 should be allowed to vote because it's not their future ����

[Geoff Parkstone]

he will never agree with that Mista as he wants to vote himself

[ramAnag]

he will never agree with that Mista as he wants to vote himself

Lol...way to go yet Parky...about the same as you I think, a little longer perhaps. There is a case for the very, very old - or those with dementia at least - not to vote, but it probably gets too complicated and controversial. Same might be said of stupid people...I mean look where that got us in 2016....

[Geoff Parkstone]

I think there is also a case for preventing Swale from voting. Just to wind him up if nothing else

[Andy_Faber]

I think there is also a case for preventing Swale from voting. Just to wind him up if nothing else

Now there I DO disagree, he should be the ONLY person to vote, then he can spend the rest of his life calling himself names for making the wrong decision

[ramAnag]

Honestly...can this whole situation become any more ridiculous?
Starting with Cameron there have been God knows how many government resignations...British business has become increasingly paralysed by uncertainty...Parliament has been totally sidetracked for approaching three years...and now Government has been found guilty of ‘contempt of Parliament’.
Thanks Brexiteers, what a complete waste of time and money your false promises have brought us all.

[Andy_Faber]

British business has become increasingly paralysed by uncertainty

Wrong.

[ramAnag]

Wrong.

That’ll be why, having been the best performing country in the G7 prior to the Referendum, we are now the worst.
Who says so? That well known left wing rabble rouser...Mark Carney!
But if you know better......?