OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[Trickytreesreds]

Not really. There's a fine line between socialism and communism.
After all, Hitlers crew started out under the socialist pact.
Communism and socialism started off with the same roots, the exploitation of workers.
It appears that even our own politicians have no idea of socialism means, and who its champions are.
Take Dianne here, who thinks Mao was a man to be admired.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB4o5n2EGyA

So think again when spouting the socialist crap. Exactly who has ever got rich or had a free life under socialism? Don't quote me the text book here, we all know that is never carried out. It wasn't 5 minutes ago that Corbyn was spouting Venezuela as a shining light of socialism.
On paper it looks great, but invariably it leads to economic disaster.

Funny how the EU promotes socialism as it's driving force, but lets be honest. Really?


https://71republic.com/2018/08/13/eu...mmunist-roots/

So it's ok for your right wing Tories to go cap in hand to Communist China for trade is it ie Teresa May[/QUOTE]

trading and trying to replicate them are 2 different things. Though Abott admires their former leaders. I wonder why that is?
Maybe a leopard doesn't change its spots?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abbott-declared-support-for-ira-defeat-of-britain-rp79dvvmk

[ramAnag]

So it's ok for your right wing Tories to go cap in hand to Communist China for trade is it ie Teresa May

trading and trying to replicate them are 2 different things. Though Abott admires their former leaders. I wonder why that is?
Maybe a leopard doesn't change its spots?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...tain-rp79dvvmk[/QUOTE]

She’s an easy enough target for you Tricky, I appreciate that. I’m not a fan either

You may wish to consider though that at the last (2017) General Election she increased her majority by around 11,000 to over 35,000 whilst winning a remarkable 75% of the vote.
Must be doing something right then, unless it’s all those ‘commies’ and IRA sympathisers in Hackney North and Stoke Newington.

Just for information and by way of comparison...Johnson’s majority was halved at the same GE and of course your favourite - Mr. Mirage - didn’t stand having failed on seven previous occasions to get elected, but that’s democracy for you.

[mistaram]

trading and trying to replicate them are 2 different things. Though Abott admires their former leaders. I wonder why that is?
Maybe a leopard doesn't change its spots?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...tain-rp79dvvmk

She’s an easy enough target for you Tricky, I appreciate that. I’m not a fan either

You may wish to consider though that at the last (2017) General Election she increased her majority by around 11,000 to over 35,000 whilst winning a remarkable 75% of the vote.
Must be doing something right then, unless it’s all those ‘commies’ and IRA sympathisers in Hackney North and Stoke Newington.

Just for information and by way of comparison...Johnson’s majority was halved at the same GE and of course your favourite - Mr. Mirage - didn’t stand having failed on seven previous occasions to get elected, but that’s democracy for you. [/QUOTE]

RA you now why Mr Mirage isn't standing this time don't we
1 he's a coward
2 he would have to give his easy MEP salary up where he is due to receive £170,000 severence pay

[mistaram]

So it's ok for your right wing Tories to go cap in hand to Communist China for trade is it ie Teresa May

trading and trying to replicate them are 2 different things. Though Abott admires their former leaders. I wonder why that is?
Maybe a leopard doesn't change its spots?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...tain-rp79dvvmk[/QUOTE]

"trading and trying to replicating them are two different things " That's about as two faced as you can get . But be any morals where Tories and money are concerned is there

[ramAnag]

In an attempt to put politics back on the political/Brexit thread...is this the ‘Brexit Election’ or not?

That is exactly what it is being called in some quarters while others are suggesting that there are far more important issues than just Brexit at stake.

My opinion, for what it is worth, is that the three main parties are falling over themselves to make promises as regards such ‘far more important issues’ - the NHS, police and education funding, housing etc - but while such ‘promises’ usually prove fairly meaningless they are particularly so in 2019 because no one has a clue what Brexit is going to cost and what the ultimate economic implications are going to be for spending on essential public services.

Judging by the number of deals being done - although of course never by ‘honest Boris’ - it is, most definitely the ‘Brexit Election’ but if, as I suspect, the result is another minority government or ‘hung Parliament’ where the hell do we go from there?

P.S. That is no sort of an argument in favour of ‘just get it done’. Much too important for that.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I think it is and should be all about Brexit and is in effect your 2nd referendum. The impact of Brexit is so pervasive, nothing else matters or can move forward until this is finally put to bed.

It makes me laugh all this electioneering about closing the gender pay gap by 2030, free broadband for all etc. These issues cannot compete against the biggest elephant in the room, but I suppose its what you get from a political party with no Brexit policy worth speaking of.

[macstheman]

What Election's this then???

[ramAnag]

I think it is and should be all about Brexit and is in effect your 2nd referendum. The impact of Brexit is so pervasive, nothing else matters or can move forward until this is finally put to bed.

It makes me laugh all this electioneering about closing the gender pay gap by 2030, free broadband for all etc. These issues cannot compete against the biggest elephant in the room, but I suppose its what you get from a political party with no Brexit policy worth speaking of.

It’s not actually ‘my’ second Referendum is it? Although it may be becoming increasingly unavoidable.
As you know, I’ve got little faith in the current Labour regime although it’s a damned site better than the ERG dominated alternative imo.
One of their more sensible ideas though seems to be a second referendum with the choice between a deal which we all know the contents of vs Remain, so Labour do have some sort of policy which is infinitely better than what happened in 2017 when ‘we’ voted without knowing any of the conditions of leaving the EU.

I do agree with the rest of what you’ve written.

[Geoff Parkstone]

So this election is, in Labour terms, a referendum about having a referendum?

[mistaram]

So this election is, in Labour terms, a referendum about having a referendum?

Geoff your better than that Well at least I hope you are

[ramAnag]

So this election is, in Labour terms, a referendum about having a referendum?

I don’t think so...but it is an election that I doubt will actually clear the way forward so it may actually lead to a referendum.

You must be in much the same quandary as me.
Johnson’s new Tory Party is an abomination that I could never vote for.
Corbyn and Co. appear as well intentioned incompetents.
The Lib Dems would stop Brexit, which obviously I favour, but I have to acknowledge as being wholly undemocratic without a second Referendum.
The Greens speak a lot of sense but will probably get insufficient support to make a difference in these circumstances.
Spoiling the ballot paper? Complete waste of time.

So...what to do? Vote for whoever I eventually think will beat the Tory who happens to be a new candidate - a solicitor from down your way I believe - who doesn’t even live in the constituency.

[MadAmster]

It's a huge mess. Labour looking incompetenet. Tories have the worst growth figures in over a decade and now, apparently, want to up the pensiona age to 75. Lib Dems are a joke. Brexit Party even more so.

Met police investigating Tory use of offereing peerages as a bribe......

Do any of them actually, genuinely, want to win this election?

[Trickytreesreds]

So this election is, in Labour terms, a referendum about having a referendum?

No it's a referendum about leaving but being in.
Or not leaving and being in.

Only difference is, you'll be able to do feck all for yourself either way and you'll do as your told. Except with the best deal Corbyn will come up with, out means you won't even be allowed to complain ot try to block anything.
They take you for idiots.
Abide by the referendum my ass.

[mistaram]

No it's a referendum about leaving but being in.
Or not leaving and being in.

Only difference is, you'll be able to do feck all for yourself either way and you'll do as your told. Except with the best deal Corbyn will come up with, out means you won't even be allowed to complain ot try to block anything.
They take you for idiots.
Abide by the referendum my ass.

Tricky mate what suck are you on. T hats probably the biggest load of **** you have ever spouted in here ,and boy have you spouted some . Are you suffering from pre election nerves or something

[Trickytreesreds]

Tricky mate what suck are you on. T hats probably the biggest load of **** you have ever spouted in here ,and boy have you spouted some . Are you suffering from pre election nerves or something

Please explain. As a typical Corbynite, anything against him and his monkeys is bollox.

Corbyn, wants to negotiate a deal to stay in the customs union and single market.
In effect then, staying in. That will entail freedom of movement, EU law, no trade deals and a still paying in.
Then he expects you vote for that, or remaining?

So the choices are remain/remain

So exactly Mr sage, about that don't you understand?
Or are you just as stupid as he is in thinking we are all gullible.
It's you that spouts bollox sunshine, typical my way or the highway socialist


NB In what way does any bugger believe the EU will budge an inch? Juncker and Macron have said this or do one.
Personally, yes please. No deal it is then.