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Interesting, because I'm 35 and am going through the process of buying my 1st home under the help to buy scheme. -
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[QUOTE=AdiSalisbury;39366447]Genuine question - As a business owner Mista, how would you cope with losing a day per week from each employee? Lets say you have 500 staff, over 52 weeks a year, that's 26,000 days of productivity, for the same salary outlay. Lets say you pay each of those staff the real living wage (now £9.30ph outside London), so 8 hours a day, works out at over £1.93 million per year.
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Adi In not exactly in that category I only employ 12 people so wouldn't have the same impact As my employees earn way over the minimum wage ( we are precision engineer's) There are other ways of looking at it shutting down for an extra day I could save on heating and lighting probably 20% of my electricity bill Obviously it would have an effect but you cope Large companies and corporations will always resist change They were the same over maternity and paternity leave Interesting fact is that Germany has the lowest average number of hours worked 28 in the world ,not done them any harm Switzerland work 4days 32hrs Sweden are 2years into their 4day week and they are reporting increased production over a number of different processes Work patterns are changing rapidly more people working from home, even people changing jobs for lesser salary ,just to get a better work life balanceComment
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I'm afraid that I will have to interject with some sad news here Mista. By and large Swedish, German, Swiss etc employees work hard during the day and have always had high productivity "ratios" and efficiency. On the other hand the British worker, by and large, is different........ I wont go so far as say lazy feckers, but will leave it at "different".
Shutting down for an extra day is an interesting solution, and plausible if you are only working at 80% capacity. Then you would be OK and save those overheads. But if you are not working at 80% productivity, you will either lose sales, have to take on extra staff or pay overtime rates (and possibly run into problems with working time directive): all of which will cost you money.
But lets look on the bright side, if it costs you more to operate, your profits will be down and so you will pay less corporation tax!* Which of course means less money for the Exchequer money tree
* ah,maybe not, he will increase corporation tax too
Its just so much pie in the sky, blue sky admittedly, thinking. I don't see how all these changes (handouts) can mutually coexist without us having to go begging to the IMF in a few years (or months!)Comment
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The option to opt out of the Working Time Directive 48 hour week will be abolished, so you will have no choice but to take on extra staff (increase cost with no additional income), or simply not meet the demand, downsize (make people redundant), and therefore pay less NI, which somehow will protect pensions???
Can someone tell me how this all adds up?
I haven't got around to reading the Lib Dem manifesto yet, but it can't be anywhere near as devastating as the Labour one, I hope.Comment
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I didn’t actually evade anything you said in your original post and neither am I acting as a spokesperson for Corbyn.
You however did totally evade my direct questions about whether anyone who converses with ‘terrorists’ - or those perceived to be ‘terrorists’ (remember Nelson Mandela?) - can be labelled as a ‘sympathiser’ and whether wrongdoers within the armed services deserve to be punished.
Oh behave RA. I did if you read it.
There is a massive difference between talking to the enemy, than there is sympathising with them
Attending functions/funerals/rallies of enemys of this country, is not what I expect from any leader in this country.
He even brought IRA members(theyare) to West minster right after the bombing in Brighton.
Would you call that correct or tactful?
As for the British troops witch hunt. The services has its own judicary procedure for dealing with acts outside the code.
Private prosecuters, supported by Corbyn are and have been proven to be unfounded scum bags.
Exactly how many "war criminals" have we unearthed?
What disturbs me, is the Labour partys eagerness to harrass and hound service personnel, whilst either evading or praising terrorist enemies.
You want to vote for these clowns?
The Labour party is in a very sorry state. By all accounts, it should be romping the opinions of the country, after the lousy Tory party of late.
But it isn't.
Why? Everyone hates Corbyn/Abbott/McDonnall/Thornberry.
They hate what they are and what they represent. The hate the fact they have robbed Labour of its identity.
The face of the Labour party, was the bread and butter miners/textiles/car builders/brickies/chimney sweeps.
Now it projects itself with characters like Owen Jones and Eddy Izzard.
So out of touch with the common person, but trying to pamper to the extreme freaks.
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I agree that the Labour Party has lost its identity. It used to be a party of the working man with an extreme edge to it, such as Tony Benn. Now its turned in on itself and the tail wags the dog. This is a sad scenario as extremism and political dialecticism is in effect giving the extremes of the right an open goal to keep scoring into.Comment
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So what's that got to do with using £1billion is tax payers money for a bribeOriginally posted by Trickytreesreds View PostComment
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Absolutely nothing. I for for one never agreed with that either.Originally posted by mistaram View Post
Though it may prove to be a drop in the ocean to what Labour wants to give away.
My point was more about the sham and cons political parties keep pulling, thinking we will all fall for it.
I'm surprised that cow, could even find Boro on the map, never mind represent it.
As a working class man, Jones/Izzard in no way relate to my roots either.Comment
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‘Everyone hates Corbyn/Abbott/McDonnall/Thornberry. They hate what they are and what they represent.’
That’ll be why the Tories - in an unnecessary election called by May entirely because she sought to ‘seize the moment’ - got a whole 2.4% bigger share of the vote in 2017 - with exactly the same personnel of ‘Corbyn/Abbott/McDonnell/Thornberry’ in charge - then will it Tricky?
Corbyn gained thirty seats while May lost thirteen if I remember correctly.
I’ve said time and time again that I don’t have much faith in three of those four, but compared with the likes of Johnson/Gove/Rees-Mogg/Raab/Leadsom/Cleverly and Patel they’re a breath of fresh air.
You go your way and I’ll go mine, Tricky. Little point in arguing...we’re never going to agree which, from my point of view, is a source of some relief.Last edited by ramAnag; 21-11-2019, 05:32 PM.Comment
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?Originally posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
Geoff I wasn't referring to th Germans productivity I was stating the number of hours and days these countries work ,not to mention the extra holidays they If reducing hours doesn't increase efficiency and productivity by are Sweden saying it does Simplistic to say that British are lazy most of our productivity problems are caused by inefficient investment ,out dated machinery , poor training facilities etc Not sure how the working time directive would affect it Obviously it will be number one the Tories agenda if we leave the EU they hate anything that might give the workers a say in how they would like to workComment
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Breath of fresh air? WTF?Originally posted by ramAnag View Post
They want to recreate the 70's
No, you and I aren't on the same plain. You're correct there. I've had to work up to my elbows in ****/oil/water. My comprehension of grass roots working class, is a lot clearer than yours.
Bye.Comment
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rA I think you will find most people on here hate Johnson etc and the right wing bandwagon as well*. But it's not an exercise on whose dick is longer. Corbyn et al are equally objectionable. Just because there is someone equally bad out there, it doesn't mean you suddenly get better. It's a bit like asking whether you would rather die of a stroke or a heart attack. For me, neither please.
* except maybe Tricky, or MOP
I can't help feeling that your fear of the stroke is driving you straight into that heart attack.
A good sensible moderate socialist like you has no need to uphold one set of extremists over another. From what I understand of your constituency, neither lib or lab are likely to unseat the incumbent, so stick to your centre left principles and the libs, whilst hoping other constituencies will deliver your aim of a 2nd referendum. You can't do jack about it any more than I can in true blue Brexit supporting Reigate. Most of the country is disenfranchised at every election, rejoice in it and pray to the God's of PRComment
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Lol...TTR...the working class hero! I don’t think so, but before you run off with your tail between your legs...again!Originally posted by Trickytreesreds View PostBreath of fresh air? WTF?
They want to recreate the 70's
No, you and I aren't on the same plain. You're correct there. I've had to work up to my elbows in ****/oil/water. My comprehension of grass roots working class, is a lot clearer than yours.
Bye.
Which bits of increasing the NHS budget by 4.3%, raising the minimum wage to £10 per hour, stopping the incessant rises in the state pension age, introducing a National Care Service, offering free bus travel to the U25’s and building 100,000 council houses a year are so objectionable to you...or for that matter trying to ‘recreate the 1970’s’?
Come to that...have Johnson and his cronies managed to come up with their manifesto yet? They spent so much time calling for an election you’d think they’d have some ideas by now rather than just insulting everyone else’s.
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