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[Andy_Faber]

What can I say? I’ve referred to specific shortages which I’ve witnessed...from HGV drivers to soft fruit. None of them are life changing but they are all things that we can do without and wouldn’t have been so severe without Brexit. If you don’t acknowledge those points as impacting on me there’s really nothing I can do about it.
Covid has been a mixed blessing for the post Brexit government. It has obviously created some massive financial pressures but I suspect it has also concealed a great deal.
Let’s see what happens when (and if) travel and hospitality get fully up and running again and how our supplies of winter veg work out.
I genuinely hope there won’t be a problem, but I suspect that there will be.

I'm not sure if you missed my point deliberately or not but unless those who think as you do can provide clearer evidence to the population any idea of returning to EU is dead in the water.

One thing I asked a few pages ago and no-one picked upon was whether our respective opinions (on this forum) are coloured by the fact that we are relatively sheilded from the impact of Brexit - Lord Swale of The Dale has made the point about 'the idiots who voted for it will be most impacted by it' and I guess by that he equates idiots with the less well-heeled (I'll tell my life-saving nursing friends that one), maybe he has a point and we are collectively too far from the pain to know how good/bad things are

[Geoff Parkstone]

I believe most of the winter veg - certainty root crops, are mechanically harvested and may not suffer rom the lack of hand pickes that you allude to for soft fruit.

Coincidentally I heard today that there is an oversupply of pigs at the moment as there is a shortage of abbatoir workers. However before you leap in triumphal "I told you so", it would appear that this is more down to the fact that youngsters joining the job market don't fancy a working life slaughtering animals. This may be more down to the rise of veganism and vegetarianism, but hell, lets blame it on Brexit because there are maybe less vegans in Poland?

[Trickytreesreds]

Of course there’s an ‘agenda’. All your posts display a right wing agenda and all your sources have a right wing slant.
I didn’t mention ‘right wing ultra’, whatever that is. I was just pointing out that your sources range from the right of centre Mail and Telegraph to the more ultra right extremes of GBNews and FoxHole and that I try to avoid reading/watching such garbage.

So, you are going to ignore the fact that Barnier was telling his team, to use Ireland as a weapon and undermine the UK and negotiations, to get his own way?
Typical but not surprising.

[ramAnag]

I'm not sure if you missed my point deliberately or not but unless those who think as you do can provide clearer evidence to the population any idea of returning to EU is dead in the water.

One thing I asked a few pages ago and no-one picked upon was whether our respective opinions (on this forum) are coloured by the fact that we are relatively sheilded from the impact of Brexit - Lord Swale of The Dale has made the point about 'the idiots who voted for it will be most impacted by it' and I guess by that he equates idiots with the less well-heeled (I'll tell my life-saving nursing friends that one), maybe he has a point and we are collectively too far from the pain to know how good/bad things are

Oh c’mon Andy. I’ve answered as honestly as I can.
As for what Swale is referring to...ask him. I suspect he means those that gleefully antagonised anyone foreign looking in the immediate wake of the Referendum under the misguided belief that they’d ‘got their country back’...and those who fell for the rest of the misinformation and downright lies peddled by Farage and Co, but as I say...ask him. I agree with virtually everything he’s said over Brexit but we’re hardly answerable for each other.

[ramAnag]

I believe most of the winter veg - certainty root crops, are mechanically harvested and may not suffer rom the lack of hand pickes that you allude to for soft fruit.

Coincidentally I heard today that there is an oversupply of pigs at the moment as there is a shortage of abbatoir workers. However before you leap in triumphal "I told you so", it would appear that this is more down to the fact that youngsters joining the job market don't fancy a working life slaughtering animals. This may be more down to the rise of veganism and vegetarianism, but hell, lets blame it on Brexit because there are maybe less vegans in Poland?

Given your background I’ll happily bow to your superior knowledge about harvesting.

I don’t remember ever mentioning abattoirs, pigs, vegans or Poland and I can’t think of an example of me leaping in ‘triumphal’ so it seems a bit of a contrived point.

[ramAnag]

So, you are going to ignore the fact that Barnier was telling his team, to use Ireland as a weapon and undermine the UK and negotiations, to get his own way?
Typical but not surprising.

Oh God, I give in...I’ve looked, anything for a quiet life and absolutely no surprises.
Tricky...it’s politics.
Do I approve of it? No.
Is it a particularly convincing piece of footage? No, not really.
Do I think Barnier indulges in such ‘duplicity’ more than our own politicians. Certainly not...and the fact that it’s so unexceptional really is the root of the problem.

[Trickytreesreds]

Oh God, I give in...I’ve looked, anything for a quiet life and absolutely no surprises.
Tricky...it’s politics.
Do I approve of it? No.
Is it a particularly convincing piece of footage? No, not really.
Do I think Barnier indulges in such ‘duplicity’ more than our own politicians. Certainly not...and the fact that it’s so unexceptional really is the root of the problem.

No dear it isn't. You yourself have used the "ireland trouble" card as a wail over Brexit.
I said earlier, that it's the EU who stirs up more trouble, give you some proof and it takes an ice age for you to digest it.
Again you shrug it off. I will just point out that Eire is still an EU member and they don't give a monkeys how it effects them either.
But hey ho, it's utopia to you.

[ramAnag]

No dear it isn't. You yourself have used the "ireland trouble" card as a wail over Brexit.
I said earlier, that it's the EU who stirs up more trouble, give you some proof and it takes an ice age for you to digest it.
Again you shrug it off. I will just point out that Eire is still an EU member and they don't give a monkeys how it effects them either.
But hey ho, it's utopia to you.

....‘dear’, ‘wail’, ‘ice age’, ‘utopia’...what are you on?
I’ve looked at what you insisted I looked at...it’s not massively convincing and he doesn’t appear to cover himself in glory.
Quelle surprise.
Fact is...we were told in the build up to the Referendum that there would be no Brexit related problem in Northern Ireland. There is...and that’s my only point.

[swaledale]

I don't need to say anymore. You accuse the UK, but have to negotiate with these scumbags|? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0eqqxJE7aA

Perhaps you missed Juncker admitting, that sometimes you have to lie.
It's sulking pure and simple.
How dare we break up with the Empire.

Jeez are you really as thick as your posts seem to show?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Given your background I’ll happily bow to your superior knowledge about harvesting.

I don’t remember ever mentioning abattoirs, pigs, vegans or Poland and I can’t think of an example of me leaping in ‘triumphal’ so it seems a bit of a contrived point.

My apologies for introducing an issue that you had not previously raised. Wont happen again

[ramAnag]

My apologies for introducing an issue that you had not previously raised. Wont happen again

I’m sure you can introduce whatever you like, GP...just don’t tell me how I’m likely to react to something I’ve said nothing at all about.

[swaledale]

I'm not sure if you missed my point deliberately or not but unless those who think as you do can provide clearer evidence to the population any idea of returning to EU is dead in the water.

One thing I asked a few pages ago and no-one picked upon was whether our respective opinions (on this forum) are coloured by the fact that we are relatively sheilded from the impact of Brexit - Lord Swale of The Dale has made the point about 'the idiots who voted for it will be most impacted by it' and I guess by that he equates idiots with the less well-heeled (I'll tell my life-saving nursing friends that one), maybe he has a point and we are collectively too far from the pain to know how good/bad things are

Oh no not just the less well heeled, there are plenty of well off gammons in the over 55 bracket who will (they will deny it obvs) who will be impacted by Brexit.

The impact may vary from more paperwork and cost to go on holiday, higher prices for work done on ones home, higher prices for food, even perhaps as they approach their dotage a shortage of people willing to wipe their arses for a minimum wage, certainly a shortage of dr's nurses, dentists.

The trouble is that their collective memories will be so short that they will just think this is the new normal.

Mind you its interesting nobody is yet asking why if Brexit has released £350 million per week for the NHS, its necessary to raise national Insurance to pay for the backlog, surely pandemic or no pandemic that brexit bonus would do the job!!!

I really must get back to a few acquaintances, who I would say are in average earning territory and ask them if they are so happy with Brexit now - well I would but I don't speak to the ****s much these days!

[MadAmster]

Oh no not just the less well heeled, there are plenty of well off gammons in the over 55 bracket who will (they will deny it obvs) who will be impacted by Brexit.

The impact may vary from more paperwork and cost to go on holiday, higher prices for work done on ones home, higher prices for food, even perhaps as they approach their dotage a shortage of people willing to wipe their arses for a minimum wage, certainly a shortage of dr's nurses, dentists.

The trouble is that their collective memories will be so short that they will just think this is the new normal.

Mind you its interesting nobody is yet asking why if Brexit has released £350 million per week for the NHS, its necessary to raise national Insurance to pay for the backlog, surely pandemic or no pandemic that brexit bonus would do the job!!!

I really must get back to a few acquaintances, who I would say are in average earning territory and ask them if they are so happy with Brexit now - well I would but I don't speak to the ****s much these days!

You really must get out more Swale. That bus slogan was an example, not a promise. Covid has put the kybosh on that even if it had been a promise. Billions spaffed up the wall on the test and trace app that never worked, billions more on PPE that either never appeared or, when it did, was unfit for use. Millions more to the Tory Grayling for his I've got no ferries company.......

Basically, the NIC increase is something that could have been done with a far lower increase, if every cabinet from the past 60 years had had the common sense to do what just about everybody knew was coming, make provision for when the baby boomers all hit pensionable age and the problems that would cause. They never did because they knew it would lead to them losing seats. All looking after themselves rather than the country.

[Andy_Faber]

Basically, the NIC increase is something that could have been done with a far lower increase, if every cabinet from the past 60 years had had the common sense to do what just about everybody knew was coming, make provision for when the baby boomers all hit pensionable age and the problems that would cause. They never did because they knew it would lead to them losing seats. All looking after themselves rather than the country.

A non-partisan (I think, you never know round here!) comment that I totally agree with

[Andy_Faber]

gammons

You really need to catch up Swale, I think even the Snowflakes have stopped using that phrase now, it just hasn't caught on, its use is so marginal I can't even be bothered with calling you out for racial slurring any more