OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

Gammon is a pejorative popularised in British political culture since around 2012. The term refers in particular to the colour of a person's flushed face when expressing their strong opinions, as compared to the type of pork of the same name.[1][2] It is defined in this context by the Oxford English Dictionary as "various parasynthetic adjectives referring to particularly reddish or florid complexions".[3]

In 2018, it became particularly known as a term to describe either those on the political right or those who supported Brexit.[1][4] Due to its origins as a reference to skin color, there is considerable debate over whether the term may be considered racist.

Taken from..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gammon_(insult)

Pretty much as I suggested yesterday then...and not, in any shape or form as TTR nonsensically said, an insult specifically aimed at white Christians.

[Geoff Parkstone]

So from this I assume you can also have Black Gammons? As opposed to simply being a game popularised by Omar Sharif?

[MadAmster]

wonderfully cringeworthy pun GP. Nice one.

[swaledale]

Pretty much as I suggested yesterday then...and not, in any shape or form as TTR nonsensically said, an insult specifically aimed at white Christians.

Actually its been around a lot longer than the phrase to describe someone who is a "large, middle-class self-satisfied man who professes an extreme patriotism in large part to describe his essential selfishness and corruption". was apparently first used by Charles Dickens!

It is so funny that these are people who are supposed to be in favour of free speech and opposed to political correctness. People who say 'There's no such thing about giving offence, only people who take it', get so excited about being called gammons!

AF saying gammon is racist, has got to rank among the funniest things I've heard all day."

But then the only reason I can see why someone would be offednded is that they identify with the type of person the word gammon describes, indeed may even consider themselves to be one.


“Both [gammon and snowflake] were seen as less offensive compared to other derogatory words because they focus on people’s attitudes rather than their identity,” concluded Ofcom.

“They were generally seen as descriptive words that related to a person’s behaviour or views rather than targeting an individual or particular group based on their inherent characteristic.”


So clearly not racist then, though as a white older male, I can hardly be racist against other white older males unless of course I am specifically referring to their race or nationality!

As for AF saying I ahve a n issue with my own nation and nationality, thats obviously complete and utter *******s, I do have a problem with people who feel that people of a different nationality, ethnic group, different skin colour or whatever are in someway inferior to the average white Uk citizen - something that comes across in Thicky's posts very often, with his disparaging terms about Syrians, Eastern Europeans etc.

[Trickytreesreds]

https://foxhole.news/2021/09/24/transport-secretary-refutes-anti-brexit-lorry-shortage-nonsense/?fbclid=IwAR3ismjkbsQ1OdzT62R962X2-V0p5uDaP9GJXt_k171IPpS4nIac-Vg5IqM

[ramAnag]

https://foxhole.news/2021/09/24/tran...pS4nIac-Vg5IqM

Quelle surprise. Cabinet Minister who wants to keep his job and a Right Wing rag devoted to keeping the spirit of the 2016 Referendum alive both make the case for Brexit. Who’da thought?

How about you stop using DCM as a depository for your right wing printed materials and come up with something objective that you’ve perhaps thought through yourself.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Quelle surprise. Cabinet Minister who wants to keep his job and a Right Wing rag devoted to keeping the spirit of the 2016 Referendum alive both make the case for Brexit. Who’da thought?

How about you stop using DCM as a depository for your right wing printed materials and come up with something objective that you’ve perhaps thought through yourself.

Quelle surprise. former teacher who is devoted to fighting the spirit of the 2016 Referendum makes the case against Brexit. Who’da thought?

How about you stop using DCM as a depository for your left wing material and come up with something objective that you’ve perhaps thought through yourself.

[swaledale]

Quelle surprise. former teacher who is devoted to fighting the spirit of the 2016 Referendum makes the case against Brexit. Who’da thought?

How about you stop using DCM as a depository for your left wing material and come up with something objective that you’ve perhaps thought through yourself.

Got a lot of time on your hands at the moment?

[swaledale]

Oh please, Grant Shapps? Foxhole News?

If you believe even half of what he says or that fake news media outlet puts out, then one would have to be very dim indeed!

In any case, the perfect storm of which Brexit is but a part, but a major self inflicted part, is brewing and will hit everyone, though the Brexiteers will of course deny it!

[Trickytreesreds]

Quelle surprise. Cabinet Minister who wants to keep his job and a Right Wing rag devoted to keeping the spirit of the 2016 Referendum alive both make the case for Brexit. Who’da thought?

How about you stop using DCM as a depository for your right wing printed materials and come up with something objective that you’ve perhaps thought through yourself.

Of course RA, it's all down to Brexit. Everything is Brexit
Bloody Coronaxit


Neil Howard is feeling puzzled.
9tSa ohnsdoreds ·
So, after seeing the news last night about fuel shortages, I popped in to Tesco at 0530 when I should have been sleeping! I spoke to a very nice tanker driver who was rather informative and told me that the boats carrying fuel are arriving daily at Plymouth, the two depots in Plymouth are extremely well stocked and there is no shortage of drivers. His only concern was news articles misleading the public. He finished by explaining that it is only BP who have issues. Back to bed....

[Trickytreesreds]

I love this one, an actual trucker, not a Guardian reading expert on Transport, gives his two pennies worth.

THIS IS SO TRUE
Isn’t it ironic that now truck drivers are in short supply that everyone is falling over themselves to try and make our life better,
Why !
Because it’s affecting the general public’s way of life,
Well here’s some of the reasons why you the public can’t get your precious
Mc Donald’s milk shake or your favourite bottle of beer from the Supermarket,
For decades the majority of hauliers have suppressed the wages of drivers, expecting a 60 to 70 hour working week for a take home pay of around the £500 to £600 mark,
For decades the well-being of most drivers have never been taking into consideration, asking for the simple things like a fridge or even a night heater in the truck would result in the company saying,
Well if you don’t like it you know where the door is, we can soon replace you,
Most hauliers ( not all ) still expect us to do 3 x 15 hours days on the trot with a measly 9 hours off, that’s 45 hours of work in 3 days and yes it’s legal for us to do that,
That’s more than you the general public do all week,
Fancy a bit if that do you ?
I think not,
Asking to get home for a reason would often result in them giving you an impossible task on that day,
A lot of hauliers even to this day won’t pay for overnight parking in a truck stop or a Motorway Services because of the cost of parking that’s in the region of £20 to £40 a night that’s why we have to park in a lay-by or an industrial estate with no facilities for the driver for 9 to 11 hours so when you the general public unfortunately stumble across a driver having a piss, don’t knock him for doing a natural bodily function that you can do in the comfort of your home,
As for delivering / collecting from customers,
A lot of the time we are late, not our fault most of the time but we get the flack so we feel that we have to go cap in hand to try and get tipped but often met with
YOUR LATE !
you’ll have to wait until we can fit you in or you’ll have to get it re-booked,
Well sorry old pal but you should be ****ing grateful that you’ve actually got your stuff here, not give us attitude because we have upset your 8 hour shift routine,
As for actually driving a 44 tonne truck,
Why oh why nowadays do you the car driver on a 70 mph road with good driving conditions sit there at 50 to 55 mph ���� getting tangled up with us trucks that are limited to 56 mph
You shouldn’t be anywhere near us, we shouldn’t be catching you up like we seem to nowadays,
We shouldn’t be put in a situation to have to overtake you, you shouldn’t be anywhere to be seen, so when you sit behind us in the overtaking lane, annoyed because I’m holding you up the chances are that I’m overtaking a **** in a car who think the A64 is a country lane to bumble along on, so swear at him not us,
Overall this is just the tip of the iceberg of what’s wrong with this haulage industry, I could go on forever with what needs changing,
Why do I still do it after 39 year’s ?
Because it’s in my blood, it’s a part of my life, I still have passion for the job that’s why, but rest assured it’s going to get worse as the average age of a truck driver is 55 years old now and rising,
I personally don’t think this is a Brexit thing, this is all down to decades of suppression of the HGV driver by the hauliers, basically treating us like ****,
You the hauliers have put yourselves in this situation and I’m glad to see that it’s come back to bite you lot on the arse.

Of course the flood of cheap labour for decades, driving down the wages with supply and demand and pushed this over the edge.
Add in the 40 000 HGV tests cancelled last year and boooooooooooooooooom

[ramAnag]

Of course RA, it's all down to Brexit. Everything is Brexit
Bloody Coronaxit


Neil Howard is feeling puzzled.
9tSa ohnsdoreds ·
So, after seeing the news last night about fuel shortages, I popped in to Tesco at 0530 when I should have been sleeping! I spoke to a very nice tanker driver who was rather informative and told me that the boats carrying fuel are arriving daily at Plymouth, the two depots in Plymouth are extremely well stocked and there is no shortage of drivers. His only concern was news articles misleading the public. He finished by explaining that it is only BP who have issues. Back to bed....

That is the whole point though isn’t it? I haven’t said anything about it being down to Brexit...indeed no one on here, other than you, has even mentioned petrol shortages. It may well be the case that Brexiteers from you to Grant Schapps and the employees of your beloved ‘Foxhole’ see Brexit as the second coming, but don’t come the ‘rA blames everything on Brexit’ because I haven’t.

Beyond that...if you want a sensible debate - and I’ll put the important words in capitals to make it easier for you - there can be NO DOUBT that Brexit has CONTRIBUTED towards the CURRENT shortage of lorry drivers in the UK. Also NO ONE on this forum, OTHER THAN YOU, has intimated that there is a shortage of fuel, although there is little point, from the consumers p.o.v, in having plenty of stock if there are INSUFFICIENT drivers to deliver it. The impact is much the same isn’t it?

P.S. Coincidentally I filled up with fuel earlier today and petrol has risen here from €1.36 to €1.46 per litre overnight. No...before you get all excited again...I’m obviously not blaming Brexit, but I think that’s as high as I’ve ever known it down here about as far as you can go in Southern Europe.

[ramAnag]

Quelle surprise. former teacher who is devoted to fighting the spirit of the 2016 Referendum makes the case against Brexit. Who’da thought?

How about you stop using DCM as a depository for your left wing material and come up with something objective that you’ve perhaps thought through yourself.

Except for...a) I wasn’t making a case against Brexit.
b) I’m not the one who brought Brexit up in the context of the unavailability of petrol.
c) I never reproduce ‘left wing material’ on here.
d) I don’t rely on others to formulate the opinions I put forward.

But apart from that!
Stick to accounting GP...it’s what you’re good at.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Well well, none of the local petrol stations around me have any fuel....

[ramAnag]

Well well, none of the local petrol stations around me have any fuel....

Wow...well don’t worry...your mate says there’s nothing to bother about...and he’s spoken to a real lorry driver and everything!
Also Johnson’s bringing in a system of foreign visas to run up to Christmas Eve I believe...so it’s obviously got nothing whatsoever to do with the ’Brexodus’ of foreign truckers, and woe betide anyone who suggests there might be even the tiniest of links. Perish the thought...pure coincidence...nothing to do with it...obviously...sorry to have even raised the possibility...silly of me.