Election Year or Fear!

[Trickytreesreds]

Farage rattles us? Mm no he is an irrelevance other than its rather funny watching people like yourself paying homage to a spiv, being paid by billionaires to shift the Overton window further to the right, obviously in order to give the "ordinary person" better opportunities!

Jeez one would have to be dumb to think that the extreme right really are the solution to the problems we face, mind you I guess thats what the German's and indeed the Italians did a few decades ago and I mean bar a few million deaths and wholesale destruction it worked out fine for them!

Are you really that dumb? To which the answer must be yes, because you seem proud to demonstrate it.

Everyone is dumb compared to you in your head. Narcissism, was invented for you.
Well sunshine, there are millions of "dumb" in this country and across Europe, rejecting you and your ilk.
This is actually called democracy, obviously something you don't agree with, when it goes against what you want. The left are very good with this analogy.( though how you can regard yourself as left eludes me) You never did answer the question of are you working class?

If you are comparing the Reform movement with far right Nazis, then where does the left stand? Are you going under the millions of dead under Mao and Stalin?
Scare tactics don't work you arrogant bell end, I'd have thought you'd have realised that by now.

Folks are sick to death of left wing bollox/ immigration/ woke/ climate brain washing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fxcGpsK0-g

[Trickytreesreds]

Sorry Tricky…he doesn’t ‘rattle’ me at all. Just depresses me that people like you can be so gullible. Johnson last time…Farage this.
I’ve told you previously about Farage’s association with the likes of ‘Posh George’…now he’s aligning himself with Andrew Tate - the revoltingly malevolent and misogynistic ‘social influencer’.
He now claims that Tate could be an ‘important voice for men and the emasculated’ and ‘perhaps provide boys in the classroom with more confidence’.

You and I have always disagreed, that’s the nature of politics when you have two posters with such opposite stances, but if you and those who think like you really can’t see that there’s something very, very wrong and dangerous with all this then frankly you’ve genuinely lost the plot.

How do you mean gullible?
What we have is tosh.
Johnson promised to deliver Brexit. He didn't. The electorate wanted it done.
The Libs/Labour couldn't decide what a woman was, never mind EU in or out.

Yet you are surprised, that manay many many of us, are sick to death of the same old bollox preached. Its you in your bubble, who have lost the plot. You are happy in your cuckold life, as you are manipulated into subserviance and obidience to the system that manipulates you.

[Andy_Faber]

How do you mean gullible?
What we have is tosh.
Johnson promised to deliver Brexit. He didn't. The electorate wanted it done.
The Libs/Labour couldn't decide what a woman was, never mind EU in or out.

Yet you are surprised, that manay many many of us, are sick to death of the same old bollox preached. Its you in your bubble, who have lost the plot. You are happy in your cuckold life, as you are manipulated into subserviance and obidience to the system that manipulates you.

All getting a bit too nam-cally / personal, just make your points

[Trickytreesreds]

Did he, really?

The answer is, of course, no he didn't. He destroyed it so much that, just 15 days ago, there were the 4 yearly EU elections for a new EU Parliament. Those elected are now juggling themselves together into their little political enclave groups to see which group has the most MEPs. Then the new commission will be appointed and off they go on the next 4 year chapter of the institution you believe to have been destroyed.

There are, indeed more right wing MEPs this time round. They've grown in number in their own countries of late and a similar outcome in "Brussels" was as clear as daylight. I, for one, am not surprised that it happened. Totally logical that it would. It's also totally logical that their influence will, over the next 2 or 3 election cycles, both nationally and in the EU, lose ground and once more become the irrelevance they were 10 years ago. Why? Simply because they are, basically, one policy parties. Immigrant bashing. They also have a lot to say on all the tings they perceive their national governments have got wrong. What they say, and never have, never will, is what they would do if in power.

Take the Dutch PVV (please, somebody take them ). The party has ONE member, Wilders. He built up a following by hammering immigration, hammering Islam, pointing out what he found wrong with governement policy. He did that without explaining what he'd do to rectify all the problems. He never offered a single solution, Why not? Because he doesn't have one.

Now he's the largest single party in the Netherlands with 37 of the 150 seats. That meant he had to form a coalition. I didn't think he's manage it but he has. His "partners" are the BBB (Farmer and Public Movement) who have sided with the PVV throughout this election. The new NSC (New Social Contract) who always said they'd never join a Wilders pact but have. Why they changed tack is clear. Their leader, Peter Omtzigt, is probably the best Parliamentarian we've had in my 40 years of living here. He got into talks, got most of what he wanted. He got Wilders to agree that each and every Law and Policy had to be 100% legal, within the Constitution AND executable. That led to Wilders dropping his Ultra right wing plans to ban the Koran, lose Mosques etc. Then they got into the nitty gritty. He had promised to scrap the Health Insurance excess of €385 a year. He regularly hammered the VVD, the CDA, D66 and other parties because they didn't announce that policy. The recently reached coalition agreement will reduce the excess by about 40%... in 2027. they hope to be able to afford it. Another election promise was a large rise in the minimum wage. That has been sccrapped. There's more of the same but you get the gist. He scrapped a lot of his election promises because they were either illegal or unaffordable or just simply aren't workable. He will disappoint his voters. Next election he will do well again as he will blame the "other parties". He may well be given a 2nd chance by the voters but, he'll fail again for the same reasons. Legal issues, unworkable or unaffordable. Over 2 or 3 election cycles his share of the vote, both for den Haag and for Brussels will shrink.

It is my opinion that the AfD in Germany and the other far right populists will suffer the same fate. they found an audience but their "fame" will not survive more than a couple of elections. Why? because their policies are NOT for the good of the populace as a whole. Jingoism at best.

He did destroy it though.
The brakes went on what was a run away train.
The UK was very much in their plans of empire expansion, even so much as integrating the UK forces and nuclear umbrella into their much lusted after European army.
They lost revenue, they lost credibility of their wonderland propaganda speeches. We have indeed seen much push back now in many European countries, using the UK as an example of rebellion of voice. Folks have got fed up there, of thr EU hushing up topics, not reporting on them. Geobbels would have been proud.
To be fair, we did Europe a favour, they may well get a much better balanced EU with the right having that voice.
They have the same topics there, winding them up, that we have here,

Crime/ green/immigration/ control. In fact Europe have now rebelled faster there than here. But we are catching up.
Globalism has pushed too hard.

[Trickytreesreds]

https://cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/ypdAAumj

Priceless,

[Trickytreesreds]

Douglas Murray 2 weeks ago. Man hits it spot on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTsdN6LZOpY

[ramAnag]

How do you mean gullible?
What we have is tosh.
Johnson promised to deliver Brexit. He didn't. The electorate wanted it done.
The Libs/Labour couldn't decide what a woman was, never mind EU in or out.

Yet you are surprised, that manay many many of us, are sick to death of the same old bollox preached. It’s you in your bubble, who have lost the plot. You are happy in your cuckold life, as you are manipulated into subserviance and obidience to the system that manipulates you.

Thanks AF…appreciated, but he can rant at me as much as he likes as far as I’m concerned. True colours and all that.

‘Cuckold life’! Lol! Are you on something?

What do I mean by gullible? I mean in 2019 you supported Johnson who people warned you was a self serving, hypocritical shambles of a man.
How did that work out? Turned a massive Tory majority into a likely wipe out in less than five years…that’s how.

Now you idolise ‘Sir Nigel’, another talented orator who only looks after himself.

I thought we were meant to be clearing up the sleaze of the last 5-14 years. So is it okay in your book to have a potential MP and possible leader of the opposition who already keeps the company of convicted criminals and speaks up in favour of a proven misogynist - who stands accused of rape, s@xual assault and people trafficking - and believes him to be a good male role model? (Do please answer that.)

Mind you…coming from someone who thinks Donald - ‘you can grab ‘em by the p****’ - Trump is the ‘bravest man I’ve ever met…in my life’, I suppose few of us will be surprised.

[Geoff Parkstone]

All getting a bit too nam-cally / personal, just make your points

But he's too dumb to make his points isn't he???

[Trickytreesreds]

Thanks AF…appreciated, but he can rant at me as much as he likes as far as I’m concerned. True colours and all that.

‘Cuckold life’! Lol! Are you on something?

What do I mean by gullible? I mean in 2019 you supported Johnson who people warned you was a self serving, hypocritical shambles of a man.
How did that work out? Turned a massive Tory majority into a likely wipe out in less than five years…that’s how.

Now you idolise ‘Sir Nigel’, another talented orator who only looks after himself.

I thought we were meant to be clearing up the sleaze of the last 5-14 years. So is it okay in your book to have a potential MP and possible leader of the opposition who already keeps the company of convicted criminals and speaks up in favour of a proven misogynist - who stands accused of rape, s@xual assault and people trafficking - and believes him to be a good male role model? (Do please answer that.)

Mind you…coming from someone who thinks Donald - ‘you can grab ‘em by the p****’ - Trump is the ‘bravest man I’ve ever met…in my life’, I suppose few of us will be surprised.

Ranting at you?

If you call that a rant, then god help you lol

You and the pilot are very much two peas in a pod. You refuse to listen to anyone elses point of view, if it deviates one degree from your own. You may not drop into the Swale pit of insults, but your feelings are very clear.

You don't like him, feel free not to. But millions do and if we did not have FPP, this election would be looking oh so very different and we haven't even reached the target 2028 one yet.

[MadAmster]

He did destroy it though.
The brakes went on what was a run away train.
The UK was very much in their plans of empire expansion, even so much as integrating the UK forces and nuclear umbrella into their much lusted after European army.
They lost revenue, they lost credibility of their wonderland propaganda speeches. We have indeed seen much push back now in many European countries, using the UK as an example of rebellion of voice. Folks have got fed up there, of thr EU hushing up topics, not reporting on them. Geobbels would have been proud.
To be fair, we did Europe a favour, they may well get a much better balanced EU with the right having that voice.
They have the same topics there, winding them up, that we have here,

Crime/ green/immigration/ control. In fact Europe have now rebelled faster there than here. But we are catching up.
Globalism has pushed too hard.

You obviously have a very different understanding of the word "destroy".

Destroy - verb
end the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it.


Synonyms:
demolish
tear down
raze (to the ground)
dismantle

Destroy? Think again.

As I said. It's not really surprising the extreme populist right has scored a victory at the polls. You should also not be surprised when they return to previous polling figures in roughly the next decade. They have no, legal, solutions to anything.

[ramAnag]

Ranting at you?

If you call that a rant, then god help you lol

You and the pilot are very much two peas in a pod. You refuse to listen to anyone elses point of view, if it deviates one degree from your own. You may not drop into the Swale pit of insults, but your feelings are very clear.

You don't like him, feel free not to. But millions do and if we did not have FPP, this election would be looking oh so very different and we haven't even reached the target 2028 one yet.

‘Pilot’! ‘Cuckold life’? Stop speaking gibberish and answer the question.

Is it okay, by your standards, for a possible future MP and leader of the opposition to keep the company of convicted criminals, including a proven misogynist who stands accused of rape, s@xual assault and people trafficking…and is advocated by Farage as a male role model.

Here’s a clue, just so we’re clear where you stand, a simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ would be a start.

[Trickytreesreds]

‘Pilot’! ‘Cuckold life’? Stop speaking gibberish and answer the question.

Is it okay, by your standards, for a possible future MP and leader of the opposition to keep the company of convicted criminals, including a proven misogynist who stands accused of rape, s@xual assault and people trafficking…and is advocated by Farage as a male role model.

Here’s a clue, just so we’re clear where you stand, a simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ would be a start.

Yes or no?

To suit your agenda. If I was answering anything based on my moral standards, then it would be no.
But please tell me who in your camp, doesn't have a dodgy mate?
They are politicians and your dislike of Trump will always force your standards as a weapon.

I could do the same thing with Labour- Corbyn when in charge being the terrorists best mate. Abbott( back on the scene ) with Lammy and their anti white racist rants. Dawn Butler and her racism, the list goes on. The anti Jewish platform offends me greatly and to say we "will " recognise Palestine as a state, when there is no justification or mention of it in their manifesto, makes me sick. but apologists and votes don't go far apart do they.

So will you still vote Labour when the above goes on?
Yearh we know the answer to that one,.

I will vote for whoever puts this nation first, not the global elite and their manifesto. Starmer has made it clear, his loyaty is to DAVOS not the UK

[Trickytreesreds]

You obviously have a very different understanding of the word "destroy".

Destroy - verb
end the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it.


Synonyms:
demolish
tear down
raze (to the ground)
dismantle

Destroy? Think again.

As I said. It's not really surprising the extreme populist right has scored a victory at the polls. You should also not be surprised when they return to previous polling figures in roughly the next decade. They have no, legal, solutions to anything.

THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN. It is your opinion.

The momentum of the EU take over has been destroyed. Had the UK not left, then the EU would have a tighter grip of everyone monetary/ laws/ immigration/ policies

FACT.

[Trickytreesreds]

DURING THIS ELECTION, the main parties are refusing to discuss the elephant in the room, in case it loses them some votes. But discussed it must be.

A new report from the Centre for Policy Studies, written by former Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick MP, former minister Neil O’Brien MP, and CPS Research Director Karl Williams argues that the scale and composition of recent migration have failed to deliver the significant economic and fiscal benefits its advocates promised, while putting enormous pressure on housing, public services and infrastructure.

The analysis argues:

Large-scale migration has not delivered significant growth in GDP per capita, and has increased the strain on our capital stock, from roads and GP surgeries to housing
Net migration accounts for around 89% of the 1.34 million increase in England’s housing deficit (the amount of homes we have underbuilt by) in the last 10 years
Pressure has been added to rental markets, as well as affecting home ownership. For example, 67% of private rented households in London are headed by someone born overseas, as were 33% of new social housing lets in Brent in 2022/23
Between 2001 and 2021, the share of people in England and Wales born outside the UK increased from 9% to 17%, but this rate of change is set to accelerate
On the current trajectory, net migration will amount to annual population growth of over 0.6% across the 2020s – double the rate of the last three decades, and six times the rate of the 1990s
Migrants from the Middle East, North Africa and Turkey aged 25-64 are almost twice as likely to be economically inactive as someone born in the UK
Earnings, and therefore tax contributions, also vary enormously, for example Spanish migrants typically earn around 40% more than migrants from Pakistan or Bangladesh, but roughly 35% less than migrants from France or America. Migrants from countries such as Canada, Singapore and Australia pay between four and nine times as much income tax as migrants from Somalia or Pakistan
The full report includes over thirty recommendations, the vast majority of which can be implemented within the remainder of this parliament. Recommendations include:

Abolishing the Graduate route, instead giving foreign students who want to stay in the UK should need to find graduate-level jobs that meet the salary threshold within six months of the end of their studies
Substantially revising the International Education Strategy (IES), ending the arbitrary 600,000 a year target for the number on international students
Accepting the Migration Advisory Committee’s recommendation to retire the Shortage Occupation List (SOL) altogether, rather than just creating a new, opaque Immigration Salary List (ISL)
Setting the salary threshold for health & care visas above the National Living Wage, while raising the minimum hourly wage in the care sector by 20-40p to boost domestic recruitment
Creating time-limited exceptions to visa limits for NHS workers, until the NHS Long Term Workforce Plan ramps up
Imposing an immediate cap on health & care visas at c.30,000, roughly the level seen in 2021
Indexing salary thresholds for visa routes in line with inflation, to prevent automatic liberalisation
A Whitehall-wide examination of data recording and transparency to allow comprehensive analysis of the impact of migration on everything from housing and public spending to crime and productivity, led by the Migration Advisory Committee
Splitting up the Home Office to create a new Department of Border Security and Immigration Control, with the rest of the department forming a Department for Policing and National Security
As reported on Sunday 28 April, the report also calls for:

Reaffirming a national commitment to return net migration to the historical norm of the tens of thousands
Instituting an annual cap on each individual visa route, voted on by Parliament as part of a ‘Migration Budget’
The preparation of a ‘Migration Book’, akin to the Treasury’s Red Book, which should pull together data from across all relevant departments, looking at the demographic and fiscal footprint of migration forecasts, as well as the net impact on housing, infrastructure and access to public services

[swaledale]

‘Pilot’! ‘Cuckold life’? Stop speaking gibberish and answer the question.

Is it okay, by your standards, for a possible future MP and leader of the opposition to keep the company of convicted criminals, including a proven misogynist who stands accused of rape, s@xual assault and people trafficking…and is advocated by Farage as a male role model.

Here’s a clue, just so we’re clear where you stand, a simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ would be a start.

It must be rA, but anybody who even thinks of voting for reform is either brain dead or deluded. Farage will melt away once it all blows up in his face.

Asking Thicky for a straight answer is akin to asking a drug addict not to shoot up!