O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Magpies1959]

AC, I am thinking you are getting me mixed up with someone who gives a damn about the Tories, merely saying how tiring and boring one sided political satire gets, as it is week after week on that programme.
I am hoping that Reform are not the Tories in disguise, but there is plenty in their manifesto to suggest they are not.
If Labour drop all the woke nonsense (fat chance), and do what is best for the country, I am fine with it. Pigs might fly though.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

AC, I am thinking you are getting me mixed up with someone who gives a damn about the Tories, merely saying how tiring and boring one sided political satire gets, as it is week after week on that programme.
I am hoping that Reform are not the Tories in disguise, but there is plenty in their manifesto to suggest they are not.
If Labour drop all the woke nonsense (fat chance), and do what is best for the country, I am fine with it. Pigs might fly though.

Any chance you can name one proper benefit of Brexit please ..?

[the_anticlough]

how tiring and boring one sided political satire gets, as it is week after week on that programme.
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I suppose one-sided Government in their party conference week begets one-sided satire...

Can you imagine a world where satire of the Govt wasn't possible? That's when you'd have cause for complaint (privately)

[Magpies1959]

I think until we free ourselves of the ECJ, and either leave or change the structure of the ECHR, plus have a government completely behind Brexit, it will be difficult to see the full benefits of Brexit. There are green shoots though, as it was never going to be an immediate success, especially with world events that have happened since.

[jackal2]

I think until we free ourselves of the ECJ, and either leave or change the structure of the ECHR, plus have a government completely behind Brexit, it will be difficult to see the full benefits of Brexit. There are green shoots though, as it was never going to be an immediate success, especially with world events that have happened since.

Simply being out of the European political structure and bureaucracy is a good enough start in terms of what I was looking for. As you say, the further benefits will probably ebb and flow depending on how enthusiastic individual governments are about exploiting opportunities, but as far as I'm concerned, we're not 'European' and never have been. I have nothing against the ordinary people of European countries, but the European political 'project' isn't something we need to be part of.

[magpie_mania]

I think until we free ourselves of the ECJ, and either leave or change the structure of the ECHR, plus have a government completely behind Brexit, it will be difficult to see the full benefits of Brexit. There are green shoots though, as it was never going to be an immediate success, especially with world events that have happened since.

He only asked for one benefit!

What happened to all the other countries queuing to get a deal? Or money to the NHS? They were supposed to be immediate weren't they?

[OchPie]

as far as I'm concerned, we're not 'European' and never have been.

I, and half the country, disagree.

[Elite_Pie]

as far as I'm concerned, we're not 'European' and never have been.

What exactly do you mean by 'European'?

[keldsyke]

I, and half the country, disagree.

Less than half to be exact, a bit like possession you can have as much as you want but it’s the result that matters.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

I think until we free ourselves of the ECJ, and either leave or change the structure of the ECHR, plus have a government completely behind Brexit, it will be difficult to see the full benefits of Brexit. There are green shoots though, as it was never going to be an immediate success, especially with world events that have happened since.

So depriving citizens human rights is the way forward!! You realise they want to grind the general public into the ground so they can impose ridiculous working practices and laws.However I'm not surprised as you see this as a positive thing.
Out of interest which law imposed on us by europe are you glad to see the back off and which european court case over ruling the british courts decisions has been an Injustice?

[PedroTheFisherman66]

I, and half the country, disagree.

You mean you and 52% bought the lies in the Brexit campaign.I think you will find the figure is well less than the original 52%..

[Kent Magpie]

Less than half to be exact, a bit like possession you can have as much as you want but it’s the result that matters.

Less than half did one day 7 years ago you mean.

[Kent Magpie]

I think until we free ourselves of the ECJ, and either leave or change the structure of the ECHR, plus have a government completely behind Brexit, it will be difficult to see the full benefits of Brexit. There are green shoots though, as it was never going to be an immediate success, especially with world events that have happened since.

So, you want to forego the right for the police to have to investigate things properly, or the right to life, or the right not to be tortured, or the right not to be exploited at work, or the right your freedom (i.e. you can't be imprisioned just because - Habeous Corpus basically), or the right to a fair trial?There are another 13 articles some quite technical. We wrote the damned thing, we had, until this government, the fewest cases lost amongst all the signatories. They are basic rights.

The trouble with leaving the ECHR is that it breaks several other international treaties like the Good Friday Agreement. So it would be just like BREXIT all over again... but with more direct consequences for us as it doesn't apply to just immigrants. Several high profile cases, John Worboys (the taxi rapist) were brought under the auspices of the ECHR (the police failed to conduct a proper investigation).

You can't replace the ECHR with our own version that doesn't have the same rights without removing those rights from all of us.

[keldsyke]

Will be interesting to see if Mac Donald and the rest turn up on Tuesday to the ‘Labour Friends of Palestine’ event at the Labour conference.

[keldsyke]

Less than half did one day 7 years ago you mean.

As I said that’s all that matters