O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[sidders]

Jampie, I think you give Putin way to much credit for somehow controlling our thoughts. He certainly has had zero influence on my thoughts about Brexit and vaccines for example. It just seems to be the arrogant lefties way of convincing themselves that, people who have differing views to themselves are too thick to have these opinions without having been influenced by outside forces, namely Putin in your eyes.

There have been enough cases of people trying to prove Putin influenced Brexit, that have been laughed out of court.

The most successful thought control works at a subconscious level. No one is suggesting that you are directly influenced by Putin or Xi or even Modi.
Is it only arrogant lefties that think those not sharing their views are 'too thick'? I know a few conceited righties, many of whom appear regularly in / on the meeja who are just as guilty.

[Magpies1959]

If you believe Rory Stewart, about MP's not knowing what was going on, do you think they know what is going on now. I will give them a clue, three letters, WEF.

sidders, I don't think the message on the side of the bus was at a very subconscious level LOL.

EP if only the Remain leaders were not such honest and laudible people. Look what you could have won.

[Elite_Pie]

EP if only the Remain leaders were not such honest and laudible people. Look what you could have won.

I look at what we all lost because of the Brexit liars.

Well not quite all of us, the main liar became Prime Minister.

[Jampie]

Jampie, I think you are confusing me with UTM, he is the Notts County stats wizard.
Aaron Banks has won his court cases about accusation of being in bed with Putin.
Haha so it was Putin that was responsible for the infamous red bus slogan.

You're right, my apologies, I got you confused with UTM.

Banks did meet at the ambassador on several occasions. His court case didn't disprove that, and he did lie about it.

"Rich guy wins defamation case" shouldn't be taken to mean everything you hear about him from the press is false...

[BanjoPie]

So, is Rishi Sunak talking sense or being brave in his attempt to swing opinion? - be interesting to see how his comments at the Party Conference go down with the media and the voters at large!

[Elite_Pie]

So, is Rishi Sunak talking sense or being brave in his attempt to swing opinion? - be interesting to see how his comments at the Party Conference go down with the media and the voters at large!

I think it's great that the Tories have the answers to all of our problems.

If only they had been in charge for the last 13 years.

[BanjoPie]

I think it's great that the Tories have the answers to all of our problems.

If only they had been in charge for the last 13 years.

If only!

[BanjoPie]

I think it's great that the Tories have the answers to all of our problems.

If only they had been in charge for the last 13 years.

If only they knew how to be in charge!

[Elite_Pie]

Sunak knows he can't keep doing more of the same because it hasn't worked, so he has to gamble. He doesn't know where to put his chips though, because wherever he puts them he will upset half of his own party because they are so divided.

This conference seems more like an application process to replace him.

[OP67]

Sunak knows he can't keep doing more of the same because it hasn't worked, so he has to gamble. He doesn't know where to put his chips though, because wherever he puts them he will upset half of his own party because they are so divided.

This conference seems more like an application process to replace him.

The same can be said for Labour with Starmer. When he became leader he wanted to be Corbyn and now he wants to be Blair. Both parties are split but that will be more of an issue for Labour in the next election. Personally at the moment neither will be getting my vote.

[Kent Magpie]

The same can be said for Labour with Starmer. When he became leader he wanted to be Corbyn and now he wants to be Blair. Both parties are split but that will be more of an issue for Labour in the next election. Personally at the moment neither will be getting my vote.

Starmer always wanted to be Blair but needed to be Corbyn to get to the leadership. Corbyn was an idealist who was happy to be in opposition, but true to his beliefs. Starmer is pragmatic, knowing that you can't change anything without being in power (something Blair understood too, but relatively few labour leaders do). I think that he has largely quietened down the left as the party is ahead in the polls. I don't think he has healed the splits long term though, and they will come back in time. In the same way, some leader will bring the Tories back under control at some point (and as a party they are much better at doing that) ad the roles will be reversed.

With all these factions it is almost like the worst aspects of Proportional Representation without the benefits. At the moment small factions in both main parties hold significant influence, but it is neither proportional or representative. Going to a proper Proportional Representative system would really help and it is about time we caught up with modern democracies.

[BanjoPie]

Don’t think RS or KS would ever have the balls to try bring in PR

[OP67]

Starmer always wanted to be Blair but needed to be Corbyn to get to the leadership. Corbyn was an idealist who was happy to be in opposition, but true to his beliefs. Starmer is pragmatic, knowing that you can't change anything without being in power (something Blair understood too, but relatively few labour leaders do). I think that he has largely quietened down the left as the party is ahead in the polls. I don't think he has healed the splits long term though, and they will come back in time. In the same way, some leader will bring the Tories back under control at some point (and as a party they are much better at doing that) ad the roles will be reversed.

With all these factions it is almost like the worst aspects of Proportional Representation without the benefits. At the moment small factions in both main parties hold significant influence, but it is neither proportional or representative. Going to a proper Proportional Representative system would really help and it is about time we caught up with modern democracies.

Polls don't mean a great deal though just look at the Brexit polls. The thought of Starmer, Rayner, Thornberry and Lammy being in power gives me the shivers!!!

[Kent Magpie]

Don’t think RS or KS would ever have the balls to try bring in PR

RS is so cornered by the right of his party, that he may just as a means to limit their power a bit. Starmer may do when the left raise their heads again... but I doubt it as it's too late by then.

[OchPie]

Polls don't mean a great deal though just look at the Brexit polls.

Brexit polling was pretty good. It was very close and that means margins of error can start swinging the result. But most polls in the run up to the referendum showed Leave would win.