O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Med Pie]

I thought decisions like allowing the use of our missiles by the Ukraine would have had have to go through Parliament for approval ?

AFAIK, the government of the day, doesn't even have to consult Parliament for a declaration of war.

As far as defence is concerned, sending a strong message through military action,would never happen with Labour in the mix at any level, Corbyn et al would happily have us turn the other cheek as Russians or Chinese, were marching down Pall Mall.

The UK and Europe have happily sat by and let the US bear the burden for keeping us all safe, this has to change. I was reading some American, complaining of all the money they are spending on Ukraine, however, a comparison of money spent as a % of GDP puts America seven****th in the list of donors with Denmark and Estonia at the top, even the UK is higher in the list.

Defence is like pensions, people want more but they won't even accept a penny on the ? in tax to pay for it.

[Med Pie]

Those incidents, as ludicrous as they are, indicate to me over zealous administration of relatively new laws rather than the impending arrival of a police state.

A lot has been made of the example of Allison Pearson, in her case she libelled 2 Pakistani men as Jew haters in a tweet which she later deleted. There?s an interesting explanation of that case in the latest Private Eye. That one is in no way a freedom of speech issue, though one could argue the police were somewhat heavy handed. Also to interesting to note that for such a freedom of speech warrior she appears very quick to shut down others.

https://x.com/jonsopel/status/1858547534555423019?s=46

She also has a lot of past form for spreading misinformation.

At the behest of Starmer and anyone who believes the modern judiciary is totally impervious to political influence, is in denial.

[maddogslater]

Those incidents, as ludicrous as they are, indicate to me over zealous administration of relatively new laws rather than the impending arrival of a police state.

A lot has been made of the example of Allison Pearson, in her case she libelled 2 Pakistani men as Jew haters in a tweet which she later deleted. There?s an interesting explanation of that case in the latest Private Eye. That one is in no way a freedom of speech issue, though one could argue the police were somewhat heavy handed. Also to interesting to note that for such a freedom of speech warrior she appears very quick to shut down others.

https://x.com/jonsopel/status/1858547534555423019?s=46

She also has a lot of past form for spreading misinformation.

I read the link you posted, the first reply under it made more sense to me.

She was wise not to. Free speech doesn?t mean she is compelled to speak to anyone that asks, the essence of freedom is choice. You know this of course but are trying to manipulate the situation in order to undermine her position. It?s a very public bullying campaign.
To trust people who perpetuate systems that cause great harm because they?re ideological and dependent on the systems only benefits those who are playing the same game.
Allison isn?t playing. She?s fighting for her freedom and reputation against an emboldened far left cabal.

Long may she be free to choose to NOT SPEAK to people like you.

[BigFatPie]

I read the link you posted, the first reply under it made more sense to me.

She was wise not to. Free speech doesn?t mean she is compelled to speak to anyone that asks, the essence of freedom is choice. You know this of course but are trying to manipulate the situation in order to undermine her position. It?s a very public bullying campaign.
To trust people who perpetuate systems that cause great harm because they?re ideological and dependent on the systems only benefits those who are playing the same game.
Allison isn?t playing. She?s fighting for her freedom and reputation against an emboldened far left cabal.

Long may she be free to choose to NOT SPEAK to people like you.

I?m glad that makes sense to you cos it makes zero to me.

Refusing to go on a podcast is one thing, making veiled threats of litigation is completely different. Especially when youve been caught bang to rights spreading misinformation.

[SmiffyPie]

Es*** Police have ceased any investigation on advice from the CPS who state there are no charges to answer.

[i961pie]

Es*** Police have ceased any investigation on advice from the CPS who state there are no charges to answer.

So that was a waste of time, manpower and money.

[Observerpie]

So that was a waste of time, manpower and money.

Research Harry Miller aka Harry The Owl, if you want to see how Lincolnshire police wasted time, manpower and money harassing him whilst making themselves look stupid.

[SinceSept1959]

An interesting post on YT currently available .
Allegedly, a guy in Cheshire, went to the home of a home improvements trader , intending to ask when he was likely to see his ?30 k plus , investment completed as per contract.
The buyer filmed the whole visit and knocked on the door in a quite civil manner without receiving any response.
The Police turn up at the behest of the Trader and request personal details from the buyer owed the value of ?30 k plus , all conducted in a civilised and proper manner.

Follow up video , allegedly recorded at the buyer's address, sees 4 officers turn up at 11pm on a Sunday night to lift the defaulted buyer, after climbing over a large fence to gain access.
Unbelievable really how this has become a reality?

[SmiffyPie]

See No 10 has got involved in the Greg Wallace thing. Fail to see the correctness of condemning Wallace's response to the allegations then saying it should be left to the BBC and any investigation.

[SmiffyPie]

"The chancellor has said a crackdown on government "waste" will ensure key public services can be prioritised for funding.

Rachel Reeves said departments would be asked to identify 5% "efficiency savings" as part of a review to set their budgets for the coming years.

The review, to conclude next June, will see ministers haggle for money as Labour sets the political tramlines for the next election."


Austerity but not as we know it?

[keldsyke]

"The chancellor has said a crackdown on government "waste" will ensure key public services can be prioritised for funding.

Rachel Reeves said departments would be asked to identify 5% "efficiency savings" as part of a review to set their budgets for the coming years.

The review, to conclude next June, will see ministers haggle for money as Labour sets the political tramlines for the next election."


Austerity but not as we know it?

Four and a half months now, CPS no charges yet (Manchester Airport Incident) , Mike Amesbury, any news on him too? I?m guessing the Southport trial in Jan will conveniently put back!

[Old_pie]

"The chancellor has said a crackdown on government "waste" will ensure key public services can be prioritised for funding.

Rachel Reeves said departments would be asked to identify 5% "efficiency savings" as part of a review to set their budgets for the coming years.

The review, to conclude next June, will see ministers haggle for money as Labour sets the political tramlines for the next election."


Austerity but not as we know it?

Well this certainly isn't:

Government department spends ?1,200 on two folders

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vrw9pd16do

[SmiffyPie]

Well this certainly isn't:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vrw9pd16do

I was going to mention that because I had a chuckle that the excuse (reason) for buying that stuff is to show how important government ministers are. Along with the clothes/glasses thing (have to look the part) they have missed the issue surely? If we have no money because of Tory waste and mismanagement shouldn't Starmer et al. all be walking around in charity shop stuff and using WH Smiths stationary to demonstrate how frugal and responsible they are and that we are all in this together (sure I've heard that somewhere else?).

[Old_pie]

Who's the "nasty party"?:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czr36842nd6o

Campaigners have reacted with fury to what it calls the government's "unjustified" rejection of compensation for women hit by changes to the state pension age.

They say 3.6 million women born in the 1950s were not properly informed of the rise in state pension age to bring them into line with men.

Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall apologised for a 28-month delay in sending letters, but has rejected any kind of financial payouts.

Nine months ago, a parliamentary ombudsman recommended compensation of between ?1,000 and ?2,950 to each of those affected.

The Women Against State Pension Inequality (Waspi) campaign described the government's decision as an "insult".

Who will they hit out at next?

[Elite_Pie]

Who's the "nasty party"?

If you look back on this issue, isn't the answer both of them?