O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[Mapperleypie]

Being generous, I'm sorry but you still don't appear to understand that you're arguing about a completely different topic from the rest of us.

You are completely wasting your time Swale. He's gone.

The rhetoric of the current president of the United States is indefensible to any reasonable human-being.

The way he has gone about going after a fellow NATO member in his claims for Greenland should be a massive wake up call about what this administration is all about. A way of behaving that is not unbefitting of a mafia boss.

On the whole I think Trump is to be ignored because he is rarely follows through with his nonsense. It's difficult to stick with this because his outrageous rhetoric is made (on purpose) to fill the airwaves.

[drillerpie]

I wish you would do your research before firing off.

https://www.ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/rural-news/rural-general-news/will-trump-get-involved-in-nz-s-dairy-dispute

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/new-zealand-escalates-dairy-trade-dispute-with-canada-2024-10-18/

Two links above. One from a NZ farmers' website and one from Reuters. Canada are renowned for their protectionism, probably on a par with France with regards to their farmers.

I'm not sure where you live, but farming and tariffs are pretty big news in NZ and it had been widely reported here well before Trump came to power.

Why do you think I should do research about New Zealand dairy farmers in relation to a discussion about trade between the US and Canada? Seriously, can you explain that to me in simple terms?

You stated as fact that Canada can import most of their goods to the US tariff free, while the US has to pay large tariffs to export to Canada. I think that's wrong, but if it's right, I would argue that it means Trump did a terrible job of his much publicised renegotiation of US - Canada trade in his first term.

I'm happy to read any articles you think are useful but obviously articles about New Zealand are not useful at all here.

[SmiffyPie]

Trump can think what he likes, and investigate what he likes, he's the boss! What someone should have whispered in his ear is "Let's look at it in private, there is no need to say that now!" And there was no reason to raise those points other than to do what he always does, be the big man!
Watching the US at the moment is like reading the introduction to some dystopian novel.

[slack_pie]

Trump can think what he likes, and investigate what he likes, he's the boss! What someone should have whispered in his ear is "Let's look at it in private, there is no need to say that now!" And there was no reason to raise those points other than to do what he always does, be the big man!
Watching the US at the moment is like reading the introduction to some dystopian novel.

Interestingly, lots of Americans would look at the UK/Europe and think the exact same thing. I guess you have to pick your poison.

[magpie_mania]

Trump can think what he likes, and investigate what he likes, he's the boss! What someone should have whispered in his ear is "Let's look at it in private, there is no need to say that now!" And there was no reason to raise those points other than to do what he always does, be the big man!
Watching the US at the moment is like reading the introduction to some dystopian novel.

It is always, me, me, me with Trump.

I am sure there are plenty whispering in his ear, but I can?t imagine him listening to anyone.

As I said, he may have been right in some of what he said, but it was certainly not the time to bring it up, nor the right use of inflammatory language. Whatever we think about the recent PMs or party leaders here I think they all would have been far more measured and compassionate in what they said.

I know that it has been said on here that he doesn?t carry out what he has said, but the damage has been done as there are many who will hang on his every word and that is how misinformation spreads.

[Med Pie]

It is always, me, me, me with Trump.

I am sure there are plenty whispering in his ear, but I can?t imagine him listening to anyone.

As I said, he may have been right in some of what he said, but it was certainly not the time to bring it up, nor the right use of inflammatory language. Whatever we think about the recent PMs or party leaders here I think they all would have been far more measured and compassionate in what they said.

I know that it has been said on here that he doesn?t carry out what he has said, but the damage has been done as there are many who will hang on his every word and that is how misinformation spreads.

I think that in certain aspects, he most certainly does and that's why he got elected. DEI looks to be dead in the water with 'wokery' firmly in the crosshairs next. He's also suspended certain foreign aid packages in order to put 'America first', including that to Ukraine which many forecast. The 'aid' to Israel continues unabated however as they continue to maim and murder civilians with little regard for international law.

He is a blunt instrument but he's been incredibly proactive from day one in getting things done, it has to be said however that when comparing him to UK politicians, he wouldn't have had a career beyond 'grab em by the p****'.

As already stated above, to outside eyes, including mine, the UK is a basket case.

[SinceSept1959]

Good post and good observations.
Reading the majority of opinions these days , on here and elsewhere, there's no wonder why the UK is a basket case.
Young people these days are unaware of commonsense , personal responsibilities and "it's always someone else's fault"
In our day ,we were told to listen, believe nothing , ask questions, look what's happening and research everything.
By the time folks attend university these days , students are well primed for indoctrination , brainwashing or whatever you like to call it ?

[BigFatPie]

I think that in certain aspects, he most certainly does and that's why he got elected. DEI looks to be dead in the water with 'wokery' firmly in the crosshairs next. He's also suspended certain foreign aid packages in order to put 'America first', including that to Ukraine which many forecast. The 'aid' to Israel continues unabated however as they continue to maim and murder civilians with little regard for international law.

He is a blunt instrument but he's been incredibly proactive from day one in getting things done, it has to be said however that when comparing him to UK politicians, he wouldn't have had a career beyond 'grab em by the p****'.

As already stated above, to outside eyes, including mine, the UK is a basket case.

Quite right, Brexit made us a laughing stock and people trying to murder asylum seekers in hotels made us look even worse. If anyone took any notice of you and tried to bring back slavery I dread to think what anyone would think of us.

Luckily we now have semi-competent politicians in charge so fingers crossed things may improve over the next 4/5 years. Anyway, back to the moral relativism regarding President Rapist.

[frenchmagpie]

Good post and good observations.
Reading the majority of opinions these days , on here and elsewhere, there's no wonder why the UK is a basket case.
Young people these days are unaware of commonsense , personal responsibilities and "it's always someone else's fault"
In our day ,we were told to listen, believe nothing , ask questions, look what's happening and research everything.
By the time folks attend university these days , students are well primed for indoctrination , brainwashing or whatever you like to call it ?

This is a joke ? Have you seen the age profile of Reform and Brexit voters. That's where the gullible are.

[SinceSept1959]

Stay humble , show respect and learn from history.
Different generation , different values , folks that knew what life was like before the Common Market , the EEU ,
the unelected commissioners , the corrupted ECHR legislation and the plundering of the UK industrial economy.
So no, not a joke, just truths , which are conveniently forgotten and re- written 50 plus years on .
Of course, anyone with an opinion contrary to the agenda and dogma are cancelled and ridiculed.

[Mud Pie]

Stay humble , show respect and learn from history.

don't think that was painted on the side of BoJo's bus, or written in Trump's manifesto, but possibly on Putin's 'advice for Ukrainians'. Is that your point?

[SinceSept1959]

What is your point ?
For what it's worth, Andrex should have prepared the manifesto's for Blair and Starmer ?
The three wise monkeys , B, B, C and look at the state we're all in now ?
Trust using your own eyes not the potent elixirs of rhetoric and propaganda.
Have a nice day and enjoy whatever the future may bring.
In reality ,all politicians are obsolete, merely puppets to Uncle Klauss and his disciples ?

[magpie_mania]

What is your point ?
For what it's worth, Andrex should have prepared the manifesto's for Blair and Starmer ?
The three wise monkeys , B, B, C and look at the state we're all in now ?
Trust using your own eyes not the potent elixirs of rhetoric and propaganda.
Have a nice day and enjoy whatever the future may bring.
In reality ,all politicians are obsolete, merely puppets to Uncle Klauss and his disciples ?

I don't think it is the young who have been brainwashed though is it?

[SinceSept1959]

Whatever you may think, certainly a matter of opinion .
A whole spectrum of electors have certainly been duped and conned for decades.
An old guy told me before the last election of being harangued by a young guy , who said " you oldies shouldn't be allowed to vote on our future ! "
The old guy replied he had worked for 51 years and was still paying income tax on his pension .
On asking what was the occupation of the young guy and how much he paid in income tax ? , the young chap replied that didn't pay any Income Tax ,because he was a student and didn't need to work.
Says it all really.
No work ethic , like the other 9.5 million who chose not to work ?

[magpie_mania]

Whatever you may think, certainly a matter of opinion .
A whole spectrum of electors have certainly been duped and conned for decades.
An old guy told me before the last election of being harangued by a young guy , who said " you oldies shouldn't be allowed to vote on our future ! "
The old guy replied he had worked for 51 years and was still paying income tax on his pension .
On asking what was the occupation of the young guy and how much he paid in income tax ? , the young chap replied that didn't pay any Income Tax ,because he was a student and didn't need to work.
Says it all really.
No work ethic , like the other 9.5 million who chose not to work ?

You know he has no work ethic?

Maybe he isn?t working because he is concentrating on studying? Then in years ahead he will be able to earn more, thereby paying tax so that the old guy can have a pension.

That is how the state pension works - those paying tax now are paying for those getting pension today.

I do not agree with him saying that the older ones shouldn?t be allowed to vote on his future, although I do have some sympathy in that a good proportion of those voting for Brexit will only enjoy it for a few years while the younger ones who voted remain will have to endure it for many years.