O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[Elite_Pie]

On asking what was the occupation of the young guy and how much he paid in income tax ? , the young chap replied that didn't pay any Income Tax ,because he was a student and didn't need to work. Says it all really.

What a pathetic post, it says nothing at all and you should be ashamed of spouting ignorant generalisations like that. Two of my daughters were in similar situations when they were studying at Uni so didn't pay tax. Both did part time work while at Uni to give them a bit of extra cash but not enough to get them into the tax paying bracket. Both got degrees and are now NHS workers, one is an occupational therapist and the other is an infection control nurse. Both work hard and pay taxes as well as paying off their student loans. If either ever get to look after you, I hope you appreciate their efforts and show them a bit more respect than you have shown in your disgraceful post.

[Bohinen]

People have no idea what it's like supporting yourself as a student these days. Nothing is given for nothing, like it was 40/50 years ago when students got grants, you are paying your tuition fees and loans back for the rest of your life.

I have a daughter who has to work part-time to afford to study, even though we pay the full parental contribution of over 5 grand. She was in Surrey in the first year and had to work 20 hours per week, but for the second year even that wouldn't have been enough to pay the extortionate accommodation charges asked for by private landlords, so she's now at the University of Nottingham and works 'only' 12 hours. This is below the tax threshold, which is shocking, obviously.

My eldest daughter at least got a bursary for nurse training, doing a diploma, as did my wife. But the government did away with those and now you have to pay for the privilege of training to be a nurse. The only consolation is that in the end, you will progress in the NHS if you work hard, my eldest is now an advanced nurse practitioner in an A&E department, but the higher wages that go with the grade only attracts more jealousy, cynicism, and bitterness from a frankly miserable older population we have now. And I say that as one of them myself.

[Elite_Pie]

Being generous, I'm sorry but you still don't appear to understand that you're arguing about a completely different topic from the rest of us.

True, even though it was explained quite clearly. Whether the cause of this crash turns out to be down to air traffic control error, pilot error, mechanical failure, Russian drones or any other conspiracy theory isn't the issue. The issue is whether it's acceptable for a president to exploit a tragedy for political gain while bodies are still in the water. Thankfully, only Lullapie so far finds it acceptable.

[Mark_Ross]

Worry about your own government

Yeah, if only in the 1930s the UK had just concentrated on our own problems.

[Med Pie]

People have no idea what it's like supporting yourself as a student these days. Nothing is given for nothing, like it was 40/50 years ago when students got grants, you are paying your tuition fees and loans back for the rest of your life.

I have a daughter who has to work part-time to afford to study, even though we pay the full parental contribution of over 5 grand. She was in Surrey in the first year and had to work 20 hours per week, but for the second year even that wouldn't have been enough to pay the extortionate accommodation charges asked for by private landlords, so she's now at the University of Nottingham and works 'only' 12 hours. This is below the tax threshold, which is shocking, obviously.

My eldest daughter at least got a bursary for nurse training, doing a diploma, as did my wife. But the government did away with those and now you have to pay for the privilege of training to be a nurse. The only consolation is that in the end, you will progress in the NHS if you work hard, my eldest is now an advanced nurse practitioner in an A&E department, but the higher wages that go with the grade only attracts more jealousy, cynicism, and bitterness from a frankly miserable older population we have now. And I say that as one of them myself.

Some do, like me, who did a law degree aged forty.

My eldest daughter has a degree and is making a success of her life despite being saddled with student debt and my youngest, already fluent in three languages, will graduate in either Cyprus or Athens at zero cost.

[i961pie]

Luckily we now have semi-competent politicians in charge so fingers crossed things may improve over the next 4/5 years.

Did you type that with a straight face😂?

[keldsyke]

Did you type that with a straight face😂?

That post just reinforces his and the other far left?s belief on here that their emotions outweigh their balance in what they believe, to whats happening in reality. The blind leading the blind springs to mind.

[BigFatPie]

5 years nearly to the day since Brexit and the lads who backed it on here still think their political opinions are worth listening to.

[forwardmagpie]

5 years nearly to the day since Brexit and the lads who backed it on here still think their political opinions are worth listening to.

7 months nearly to the day since Labour won the election and the lads who backed them on here still think their political opinions are worth listening to.

[Elite_Pie]

7 months nearly to the day since Labour won the election and the lads who backed them on here still think their political opinions are worth listening to.

While I have no great faith in Starmer, calling the result 7 months into a 5 year term seems a bit silly.

[Med Pie]

7 months nearly to the day since Labour won the election and the lads who backed them on here still think their political opinions are worth listening to.

Or their promises, just been watching a vid where Starmer makes a promise, not to raise council tax if they get elected, just one of many, broken promises.

Where governments or politicians make promises which are the backbone of their election manifesto and they do not hold to them, there should be some form of sanction. They have basically lied to everyone to get elected. Say what you like about Trump, he set about implementing many of his promises on day one with a flurry of executive orders.

[Elite_Pie]

Where governments or politicians make promises which are the backbone of their election manifesto and they do not hold to them, there should be some form of sanction. They have basically lied to everyone to get elected.

I presume you would be in favour of another Brexit vote then.

[forwardmagpie]

While I have no great faith in Starmer, calling the result 7 months into a 5 year term seems a bit silly.

Ironing is wasted on you !

[SinceSept1959]

What a pathetic post, it says nothing at all and you should be ashamed of spouting ignorant generalisations like that. Two of my daughters were in similar situations when they were studying at Uni so didn't pay tax. Both did part time work while at Uni to give them a bit of extra cash but not enough to get them into the tax paying bracket. Both got degrees and are now NHS workers, one is an occupational therapist and the other is an infection control nurse. Both work hard and pay taxes as well as paying off their student loans. If either ever get to look after you, I hope you appreciate their efforts and show them a bit more respect than you have shown in your disgraceful post.

What a pathetic , childish , entitled and arrogant post .
Still , only to be expected from a self opinated left wing troll.
You seem to think that you are the only parent whose kids have ever been in such circumstances ?
So it's OK, for ignorant youths to harangue old people and blame them for all the ills that this country and what future generations will have to endure ?
Like I said, far too many these days ,are full of self needs entitlement and have no work ethic . You may recall Govt figures claimed that 9.5million in the UK were not working ?

As for appreciating efforts of hospital staff, I'm always been very grateful for there care when I ve needed it.
Having been raised properly , to have manners , a worl ethic and a sense of duty , I wouldn't do otherwise.
Enjoy your equestrian hobby , take care and don't fall of your horse.

[SinceSept1959]

You know he has no work ethic?

Maybe he isn?t working because he is concentrating on studying? Then in years ahead he will be able to earn more, thereby paying tax so that the old guy can have a pension.

That is how the state pension works - those paying tax now are paying for those getting pension today.

I do not agree with him saying that the older ones shouldn?t be allowed to vote on his future, although I do have some sympathy in that a good proportion of those voting for Brexit will only enjoy it for a few years while the younger ones who voted remain will have to endure it for many years.

Thanks for your reply, obviously more respectful than others who have replied.
Different generations of course , but us seniors can remember when the UK was a sane , well functioning society, without depressing neglected infrastucture and services and no go