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[MadAmster]

So, the known facts will come out at last. I agree with the lack of action posts. They have faffed about for 2 years and wasted time. They should have had their negotiating policy nailed down inside the first 6 months and then gone all out to get exactly that.

There would have to be a trade deal as both sides will always want to trade with each other.

Instead they fannied about bandying meaningless words around and getting absolutely nowhere.

In short, Her Majesty's Government has been an utter, utter, utter disgrace.

[mistaram]

RA The truth is already known if you read the Sunday Times It just shows the state of our country's politics when May makes Geoffrey Cox Attorney General this the man who tried to claim 49p for milk.Who happens to be the highest paid MP He's the man who brought the amendment against changing the law to stop Rental homes being fit for purpose and got it thrown out. In 2014 he was found to be investing in Phoenix Film Partners LLC. Which HMRC said was a tax avoidance scheme HMRC came to an agreement for a 're payment agreement with him and others involved. In 2016 the House of Commons standards commitee of which he was a member was found guilty of failing to declare £400,000 of outside earnings No wonder people don't vote

[Andy_Faber]

That’ll be why, having been the best performing country in the G7 prior to the Referendum, we are now the worst.
Who says so? That well known left wing rabble rouser...Mark Carney!
But if you know better......?

On Carney, I do but only marginally by a few degrees of separation as you know. Those closer only reinforce my belief that I shouldn't even trust him with my daughter's pocket money. Allegedly.

Regarding performance, I'll talk at micro level not quote from the press. Here are the ten businesses I'm most acquainted with at present:

Automotive R&D Development. Funded by a non-EU parent, no discernable Brexit impact, struggling to obtain R&D engineers from anywhere worldwide simply due to the rate of change, currently recuiting in two from Germany and two from Spain
Property Agency. Highly geared on HS2, minimal Brexit impact, scrambling for the big money already flowing on this
Major public works projects design and build. See above
Aerospace design/make. Sensibly, Brexit impact already accounted for in pure financial and operational terms. The only problem here will be gearing back up if there is NOT a no deal Brexit
Equestrian. The burst bubble of private horse ownership is the big driver, no discernible Brexit impact
Arable farming. Hit by increased cost of the preferred brand of machinery (although not an EU brand) deferred new purchases by a year. No EU migrant issues because by coincidence it looks like (in their case) there is more benefit in automation than cheap labour
Print publishing. Totally buggered up by the move from print to online, no discernible Brexit impact
Small-scale property development. Hamstrung by lack of trustworthy tradespeople (and experience of EU tradespeople hasn't been good), there MAY be a big impact here if Carney and Co soothesay a property crash on us

the above isnt intended as a Swale-type rant, but shows that down at the sharp end, actual businesses are taking the measures they need to, attempting (and for the most part managing to) 'survive and prosper'. There are also many many other issues out there that businesses need to account for, of which Brexit is only one, if at all. As I've alluded to before, if UK Govt had handed the job from the bureaucrats and politicians to some real people (ie businessmen), we'd have had a deal a long long time ago

[ramAnag]

RA The truth is already known if you read the Sunday Times It just shows the state of our country's politics when May makes Geoffrey Cox Attorney General this the man who tried to claim 49p for milk.Who happens to be the highest paid MP He's the man who brought the amendment against changing the law to stop Rental homes being fit for purpose and got it thrown out. In 2014 he was found to be investing in Phoenix Film Partners LLC. Which HMRC said was a tax avoidance scheme HMRC came to an agreement for a 're payment agreement with him and others involved. In 2016 the House of Commons standards commitee of which he was a member was found guilty of failing to declare £400,000 of outside earnings No wonder people don't vote

Can’t and wouldn’t want to argue with any of that, mista. Except perhaps the last bit...perhaps that’s why people should vote...to smash the two party political cartel system and reintroduce some decency and common sense. If UKIP could have an impact - however thankfully short lived - surely some intelligent, reasonable, moderate and compassionate cross-Party politicians can bring the country to its senses.

[Andy_Faber]

Can’t and wouldn’t want to argue with any of that, mista. Except perhaps the last bit...perhaps that’s why people should vote...to smash the two party political cartel system and reintroduce some decency and common sense. If UKIP could have an impact - however thankfully short lived - surely some intelligent, reasonable, moderate and compassionate cross-Party politicians can bring the country to its senses.

RA I suggested that by way of the Lib Dems holding the balance of power and you dismissed the idea?

[Manofpride]

I'm already building Becher's Brook!!!

I think you already know my answer to that, The EU are taking the piss. If she stays we don't get what we voted for, she needs replacing by someone who believes in Brexit and quick.. The only good thing to happen if she does get her way is Farage will be back on the scene, hopefully to finish what he started! Are you with May, she is a remainer after all?

Looks like I'm wrong about Farage being back on the scene, the principled man has quit UKIP as he's disgusted in the fact that Batten has appointed former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson as a UKIP adviser.

[mistaram]

RA your so right We desperately need a centrist party in this country Politics is in the gutter at the moment I would find it hard to vote for any of them at the moment Will definitely not vote if a second referendum is called

[ramAnag]

RA I suggested that by way of the Lib Dems holding the balance of power and you dismissed the idea?

I don’t think I did...sounds like a misunderstanding of some sort to me.

Farage...a ‘principled man’...MoP? Now I know you’ve been taking the **** for the last 29 months!

What’s the point of not voting, mista? Should the opportunity arise, you’re an intelligent principled guy who knows what’s going on...isn’t it your ‘duty’ to make your opinion count on this one issue at least?

[Geoff Parkstone]

I have to say I wouldn't bother voting in a second referendum myself. Out of principle. We've already had one

[ramAnag]

I have to say I wouldn't bother voting in a second referendum myself. Out of principle. We've already had one

Thought better of you GP. What’s the ‘principle’ exactly and what the hell is undemocratic about having a second referendum where the rules aren’t broken and the public are better informed?

[mistaram]

RA No I don't consider it my duty to vote on this issue We don't have a referendum about going to war or if we should sell arms to Saudi Arabia There is only one reason we were allowed a vote in the first place because they thought the result was a foregone conclusion and Cameron needs to crush UKIP.Anyway we can't have a referendum before March 29th so they will b discussing that for a couple of months with the EU. Then our MPs will be arguing what it should say on the ballot papers for a few weeks By that time it will be May and time to vote for our MEPs happy days

[ramAnag]

RA No I don't consider it my duty to vote on this issue We don't have a referendum about going to war or if we should sell arms to Saudi Arabia There is only one reason we were allowed a vote in the first place because they thought the result was a foregone conclusion and Cameron needs to crush UKIP.Anyway we can't have a referendum before March 29th so they will b discussing that for a couple of months with the EU. Then our MPs will be arguing what it should say on the ballot papers for a few weeks By that time it will be May and time to vote for our MEPs happy days

Sorry mista, we don’t often differ but I just don’t follow your reasoning on this one. What’s not having a referendum on other issues got to do with you not voting if there’s a second referendum specifically on EU membership?
If there should be a second EU Referendum then surely it is a chance to overcome the first ill informed decision which threatens our country’s financial well being. I think you’ve implied enough times that you’re generally not in favour of Brexit so surely you should take the opportunity to be part of a better informed vote.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Simple really. The last referendum made a "decision" / choice that the government has been unable to enact (or at least it looks that way now). The option of no deal is repellent. The opposition have no viable alternative. The EU aren't going to concede more as they still want our contributions. So we cannot agree to leave on acceptable terms, and a no deal is unacceptable. There's nothing to vote on, we are twixt Rock and Hard Place so what's the point of referendum - what can it ask?

[mistaram]

RA. If there is a second referendum I can only see there being three options. No deal. Mays deal.Status Quo all unacceptable to me so what can I vote for

[MadAmster]

How about status quo and go all out to aattack from within and limit the power of the Commission, limit the power of the EU Parliament, limit the power of banks and multinationals to escape tax liability through the back door.

IMO, the only way to achieve that is to ban rich individuals, companies, unions, in fact anybody from financing political parties. Limit their funding and have it come from the exchequer.

Membership fees for individuals will remain at today's levels and only increase at the rate of inflation.