OT Border Control State of Emergency

[frogmiller]

Two of Starmer's best known cases were representing Lee Clegg, a soldier who had been wrongly convicted of murder in Northern Ireland, and defending two environmental activist who were facing the corporate might of McDonalds in the 'McLibel' case. He did the latter for free

I guess that sort of stuff hasn't made its way on to Twitter.

T?t! Deflect and and denounce!

Pathetic

[frogmiller]

Two of Starmer's best known cases were representing Lee Clegg, a soldier who had been wrongly convicted of murder in Northern Ireland, and defending two environmental activist who were facing the corporate might of McDonalds in the 'McLibel' case. He did the latter for free

I guess that sort of stuff hasn't made its way on to Twitter.

You couldn't say - Yes itt is true. He did a great job under the circumstances and won his case. On top of that great victory he also defended Lee Clegg. WOW! When you look into the Lee Clegg case on Wikipedia it isn't as black and white as you'd think!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Clegg

Convicted to start with then overturned.

Clegg was released under licence by then Northern Ireland Secretary Patrick Mayhew in 1995, which in turn led to rioting in Irish nationalist areas of Belfast. Sinn F?in repeatedly called the decision a "threat to the peace process". The release followed after a test shooting on another Astra conducted by pathologist Iain West and forensic expert Graham Renshaw on 4 June 1995.[2]

A set of appeals to the Court of Appeal and House of Lords led to the quashing of the murder conviction in 1998 and a re-trial in March 1999, on the grounds that new evidence suggested that the fourth bullet entered the side of the car. At the retrial Clegg was cleared of murder, but a conviction for "attempting to wound" the driver of the car, Martin Peake, who also died in the incident, was upheld. The junior lawyer for Clegg was Keir Starmer.[3][4][5][6]

Another appeal, this time at the Northern Ireland Court of Appeal, led to that lesser conviction also being overturned on 31 January 2000 owing to uncertainty over the accuracy of evidence that initially suggested Clegg's final bullet was fired after the vehicle had passed.

Clegg continued to serve as part of 16 Air Assault Brigade. In September 2007 the Daily Mail reported that Clegg would be serving in Afghanistan in 2008 as combat medic with the 2nd Battalion Parachute Regiment.[7]

Starmer was a junior lawer at the time! just like a newly passed driver went on to drive a F1 car! All Rise!!!!

[frogmiller]

It is great that the son of a tool maker has made it in the UK!

It is not greta to see somenone ****ing up the UK and being such a bare faced lier!

[frogmiller]

How would joining Russia and Belarus as non-members stop the boats, animal?

Denounce and deflect!

They are no where near the channel to have influence! May as well join Noel Edmonds in New zealand!?

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

You couldn't say - Yes itt is true. He did a great job under the circumstances and won his case. On top of that great victory he also defended Lee Clegg. WOW! When you look into the Lee Clegg case on Wikipedia it isn't as black and white as you'd think!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Clegg

Convicted to start with then overturned.

Clegg was released under licence by then Northern Ireland Secretary Patrick Mayhew in 1995, which in turn led to rioting in Irish nationalist areas of Belfast. Sinn F?in repeatedly called the decision a "threat to the peace process". The release followed after a test shooting on another Astra conducted by pathologist Iain West and forensic expert Graham Renshaw on 4 June 1995.[2]

A set of appeals to the Court of Appeal and House of Lords led to the quashing of the murder conviction in 1998 and a re-trial in March 1999, on the grounds that new evidence suggested that the fourth bullet entered the side of the car. At the retrial Clegg was cleared of murder, but a conviction for "attempting to wound" the driver of the car, Martin Peake, who also died in the incident, was upheld. The junior lawyer for Clegg was Keir Starmer.[3][4][5][6]

Another appeal, this time at the Northern Ireland Court of Appeal, led to that lesser conviction also being overturned on 31 January 2000 owing to uncertainty over the accuracy of evidence that initially suggested Clegg's final bullet was fired after the vehicle had passed.

Clegg continued to serve as part of 16 Air Assault Brigade. In September 2007 the Daily Mail reported that Clegg would be serving in Afghanistan in 2008 as combat medic with the 2nd Battalion Parachute Regiment.[7]

Starmer was a junior lawer at the time! just like a newly passed driver went on to drive a F1 car! All Rise!!!!

Yes and at the time the case had dragged on and on. There was probably a decision by the chambers to throw some pro bono work at it before the costs got completely ridiculous. So Starmers report writing was part of the sacrifice

[gm_gm]

How would joining Russia and Belarus as non-members stop the boats, animal?

We would be in the company of 150 countries that don't subscribe, including those nasty countries like Australia, Canada, NZ, USA and Vatican City

[animallittle3]

How would joining Russia and Belarus as non-members stop the boats, animal?

It would give us the opportunity to make our own laws Kerr surrounding this matter and not be beholden to judges who are presented evidence by immigration lawyers who by definition are immigration or human rights lawyers because they hold extreme liberal views which are at odds with a significant number of voters in the UK .

This situation can't go on , we can't afford it and neither can the continent of Europe for that matter , most certainly we can do our bit like we've always done but not at this scale for too much longer .

May I recommend The Strange Death Of Europe by Douglas Murray for you to read .

[Timbertop]

Terrific read. Amazingly it was published 8 years ago.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

It would give us the opportunity to make our own laws Kerr surrounding this matter and not be beholden to judges who are presented evidence by immigration lawyers who by definition are immigration or human rights lawyers because they hold extreme liberal views which are at odds with a significant number of voters in the UK .

This situation can't go on , we can't afford it and neither can the continent of Europe for that matter , most certainly we can do our bit like we've always done but not at this scale for too much longer .

May I recommend The Strange Death Of Europe by Douglas Murray for you to read .

And don?t forget the legal people make a lot of money on the loopholes of human rights legislation.

[KerrAvon]

We would be in the company of 150 countries that don't subscribe, including those nasty countries like Australia, Canada, NZ, USA and Vatican City

Australia, Canada, NZ, and the USA aren’t in Europe, gm, but I appreciate that it can be confusing when Australia are allowed to compete in Eurovision. My understanding is The Vatican doesn't join any supranational organisations. In fairness, I think I was told a few years ago that the Isle of Man isn't a member either.

[KerrAvon]

It would give us the opportunity to make our own laws Kerr surrounding this matter and not be beholden to judges who are presented evidence by immigration lawyers who by definition are immigration or human rights lawyers because they hold extreme liberal views which are at odds with a significant number of voters in the UK .

This situation can't go on , we can't afford it and neither can the continent of Europe for that matter , most certainly we can do our bit like we've always done but not at this scale for too much longer .

May I recommend The Strange Death Of Europe by Douglas Murray for you to read .

What law(s) do you think should be passed to stop the small boats, animal? And in what way are they blocked by ECHR membership.

I started The Strange Death of Europe after I had read The Madness of Crowds. I couldn’t finish it – I found it repetitive and dull – a series of carefully selected scenarios spun to justify his position

[Redshank]

Meanwhile Israel, the US and the UK continue to stir up more s.h.it in the middle east and generate even more refugees and human traffic.

2 million Palestinians and goodness knows how many Iranians out of a population of 90 million will be on the move if destabilisation and interference continues at the current pace.

Maybe if we stopped arming and supporting rogue states and concentrated more on the UK rather than sticking our nose in where it's really not wanted or needed, then displacement might slow down.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Meanwhile Israel, the US and the UK continue to stir up more s.h.it in the middle east and generate even more refugees and human traffic.

2 million Palestinians and goodness knows how many Iranians out of a population of 90 million will be on the move if destabilisation and interference continues at the current pace.

Maybe if we stopped arming and supporting rogue states and concentrated more on the UK rather than sticking our nose in where it's really not wanted or needed, then displacement might slow down.

What *******s

It?s Muslims that stir up the the sh.it in the Middle East

[Redshank]

What *******s

It?s Muslims that stir up the the sh.it in the Middle East

Really?
So why have the ICC issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant? (along with Hamas leadership)
Why do UN rapporteurs repeatedly report on human rights abuses committed by Israel?

Netanyahu is war mongering to save his own skin. Many Israelis aren't happy with how he's turned Israel into a rogue state.

Re the OP... Israel's aggressive destabilisation of the region will mean more refugees, asylum seekers and radicalisation. Stop the boats by all means, but if we don't recognise root causes for mass movement of people - in whatever region - dealing with the problem will be a constant drain on resources.

But I suppose that is the point. Keep the refugee pot boiling to deflect our attention away from why the country really is in such a parlous state.

[Spuddy Speight]

Next they'll be blaming the water shortage in many parts of the UK due to the surge in the numbers of people seeking asylum for drinking too much water. Simply not true.
All politicians need to get their houses in order and stop trying to distract us with side issues such as giving the vote to 16/17 year olds by the next General Election.

Didn't England do well against Sweden in their Euros Quarter Final game?